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Dakota (I think)

Did...

...somebody say...

...Canberra cockpits?

Jag and Harrier (and lignning behind(and Land Rover))

One more thread now.

I appears it is a Dakota. Harrier needs a bit of TLC...

They did know how to make a Canberra ugly!

They did know how to make a Canberra ugly!

I actually quite like the T.17!

The Canberra may have been butt ugly but how many planes can honestly say they've been in front-line service continuously for 55 years?

The Canberra may have been butt ugly but how many planes can honestly say they've been in front-line service continuously for 55 years?

Another ugly plane....the B52 (well almost 55)

Great pics, looks like an interesting place.

.Mic

The Harrier is a GR5. Wonder what its history is to end up in a museum so soon.

Matt

The Harrier is a GR5. Wonder what its history is to end up in a museum so soon.

Matt

On the site it lists it as an AV-8B which is even more odd.

On the site it lists it as an AV-8B which is even more odd.

It's listed as being in the static display at RIAT 2000. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/airnet/RIAT.html

THE ROYAL INTERNATIONAL AIR TATTOO 2000
RAF COTTESMORE
Saturday 22 and Sunday 23 July 2000
AIRCRAFT CHECKLIST   Compiled by BEN DUNNELL

Aircraft in the static display (south side of airfield):

Royal Air Force
AV-8B Harrier II fuselage    162068 (9250M)              BDRT (on trailer)

162068/162076            McDonnell Douglas AV-8B-4-MC Harrier II
                       c/n 512017/17-512025/25.
                       162068 converted to AV-8B+-24-MC 165310

165309/165312            McDonnell Douglas AV-8B+(R)-24-MC Harrier II Plus
                       c/n 267 to 270
                       Were BuNo 162083, 162068, 162074, 162087 remanufactured.

Presubably at some point during or after remanufacture it was withdrawn and made its way over the atlantic as a BDRT (Battle Damage Repair Training) airframe.

So technically it is RAF, yet is also an MD AV-8B, rather than a BAE Harrier Gr.5/7! This explains the lack of UK military serial and the intructional airframe no. (xxxxM)

Considering the conversion from 162068 to 165310 involved the fitting of radar, you wonder if this was when this nose came off - and this was one of the first aircraft converted in the mid 90s. It was originally built in 1984.

Hard to tell, but that first, although definitely a Douglas, is probably not a 3 (aka C47 or Dak), but a later variation, like the DC-4 or DC-6... that bulkhead looks like it housed a radar dish at one time...not sure if Dakotas were ever retrofit with radar, even for the military.
Does it have nosegear doors?? If so, it can't be a Dak.
So... you did get some cockpit interior photos... right?

Hard to tell, but that first, although definitely a Douglas, is probably not a 3 (aka C47 or Dak), but a later variation, like the DC-4 or DC-6... that bulkhead looks like it housed a radar dish at one time...not sure if Dakotas were ever retrofit with radar, even for the military.
Does it have nosegear doors?? If so, it can't be a Dak.
So... you did get some cockpit interior photos... right?

I thought the same initially, but the museum website does list the DC-3 as one of the exhibits. This pic seems to agree too:

http://www.douglasdc3.com/osh2002/osh2002.htm

Hard to tell, but that first, although definitely a Douglas, is probably not a 3 (aka C47 or Dak),

It's listed on the Aeroventure website as DOUGLAS DC3 N4565L. Here's a photo taken at Fairford in 1985. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0840936/M/

Does it have nosegear doors??

No but it has main gear doors.

Presubably at some point during or after remanufacture it was withdrawn and made its way over the atlantic as a BDRT (Battle Damage Repair Training) airframe.

So technically it is RAF, yet is also an MD AV-8B, rather than a BAE Harrier Gr.5/7! This explains the lack of UK military serial and the intructional airframe no. (xxxxM)

Considering the conversion from 162068 to 165310 involved the fitting of radar, you wonder if this was when this nose came off - and this was one of the first aircraft converted in the mid 90s. It was originally built in 1984.

Amazing what you can find on the web. Type in a Harrier serial number and....if your aunty had balls, she would be your uncle!
Shame that the cockpit section does not have the radar nose conversion still attached, that would have really set it aside from the rest. Mind you better an ARBS dome than nothing at all. Maybe a tarp for weather protection would be a good idea, but then we would not have had this interesting look at this particular aircraft.

Matt

Amazing what you can find on the web. Type in a Harrier serial number and....if your aunty had balls, she would be your uncle!
Shame that the cockpit section does not have the radar nose conversion still attached, that would have really set it aside from the rest. Mind you better an ARBS dome than nothing at all. Maybe a tarp for weather protection would be a good idea, but then we would not have had this interesting look at this particular aircraft.

Matt

As I said, I wonder if this section was removed during the upgrade, and a whole new nose and cockpit was installed for the conversion for some reason or other...

No but it has main gear doors.

There being no wings shown in the post, it was hard to tell.

And  besides, the DC3 had no doors for the gear- in fact the wheels stick out slightly even when the gear is retracted (unless it's a "super DC3" variant of the R4D) .
Very convenient when it fails to come down...