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Re: Dachau

Postby Fitter » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:29 pm


Thats true but the thing is that the 1000 years of german history are reduced to the 12 years from 1933 to 1945...everone knows hitler, but what about bismarck? goethe? mozart? only to name a few...

The holocaus is far far far from beeing forgotten, no danger from that side! germany has a lot more to offer than those 12 years and I think its time to focus on the other parts of history after 60 years. After all, how should Germany become a "normal" country if always and everywhere confronted with his nazi-past?...

That's what I'm trying to say in few words...The world will not change or things like that will not happen again by our opinion....but with our conscience.
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Re: Dachau

Postby Medevac71 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:59 pm

We need to forget that...to start a new history...

sure, but we gotta learn by experience/ history, not to make the same mistakes, that's what history is good for ::) like the hole rest of this world .....(is that sentence grammaticly right ? i don't think :P )
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Re: Dachau

Postby Ridge_Runner_5 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:38 am

Weird, photos of just scenery have never really creeped me out and left me with a sick feeling in my stomach before...
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Re: Dachau

Postby Omag 2.0 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am

You know what the real "problem" is? The holocaust happened to recently. There are still lots of people from that era around, so it's more real than, let's say the Roman empire... We've all seen the movies, the pictures and heared the stories...

I agree with Ijineda, we mustn't only focus on that black period... Germany has a lot to offer and has a rich history apart from the 30's and 40's... And somehow I'm always amused by people bashing Germany and Germans, only to step in their Mercedes, Opel, Audi or BMW without a problem...  ;D
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Re: Dachau

Postby Medevac71 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:11 am

you forgot VW- Volkswagen :P
and the first jet-plane and helicopter (whisch really flew) were made here :P
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Re: Dachau

Postby Flt.Lt.Andrew » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:01 pm

Yeah Germany has done a lot of helpful stuff and the world wouldnt be the way it is today without good ol' Deutschland.

You've captured the atmosphere really well, Charlie- but what I dont understand is this- Mark, why did you unit go and visit Belsen- same with Fozz.



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Re: Dachau

Postby Jakemaster » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:33 pm

Being Jewish, I personally have heard many survivors speak.  Some of their tales are horrifying.  Enough to make even the toughest person feel sad and even cry.  Luckily my family came to America before WWII, and did not get affected by the holocaust.  But I know many people who have family members who either were killed or survived even though the rest of their family were killed.  Countless people watched their family members die, either from disease, hunger, or the worst, gassings.  I have been to the Holocaust museum in Washington DC twice, and it is so hard to walk thrrough that museum.  There are so many stories, so many pictures, and so much history that its saddening to know that this happened, and even worse to know that people claim it didnt.  12 million people were killed, and 6 million of those were jews.  One of the most saddening things Ive ever seen is at the National Holocaust Museum in DC.  Its from Kristallnacht (night of the broken glass).  They have this arched dorway.  On one side, its beautiful, looks new, painted expertly, carved with such craftmanship.  ON the other, its ruind.  Burned to a crisp, scratched, torn.  Its so sad.

Ive also heard mustiple survivors tell stories of life in the camps.  Last year, one man told us of how he watched one of his friends get hanged.  He remembers seeing the rope snap, his friend lying on the ground choking to death, and a nazi guard kicking him as ahe died.  Its horrifying to hear these stories, and even worse when you realize that the man telling you this was 7 years old when he saw it happen.

The Holocaust can NEVER be forgotton.  It was one of the worst events in human history, and it must be remembered so it doesnt happen again.
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Re: Dachau

Postby TacitBlue » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:29 pm

I don't know a whole lot about my family history, but I do know that some of my ancestors were German Jews. Fortunatly, they left in the 1920s (I think). I know that their entire family didn't leave, as that would be a lot of people. So I know that some of them probably met their fate in a place like that. It sends shivers up my spine to think of what it must have been like to stand in a cold train car awaiting your death.

And yet, I hold no resentment, no hostillity toward German people. I've known a few German people, and they all seemed to be very nice people. People in the rest of the world need to remember that it wasn't Germany that committed these attrocities, but a group of fanatics that happened to be in charge of the country at the time. places like Dachau and Auchwitz are important. All history is important. We must remember the past. But we mustn't dwell on it.

Great pictures Charlie. ;)
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Re: Dachau

Postby ozzy72 » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:55 am

I was stationed at RAF G
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Re: Dachau

Postby C » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:10 am

[quote]I was stationed at RAF G
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Re: Dachau

Postby Marlin » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:55 am

We need to forget that...to start a new history...



All I have to say on this matter is that people from all "Free" countries should be very gratefull that people like my Dad (82nd airborne), and the others that fought and lost their life in WWII, should show there untmost respect when they meet a vetern! Those who don't, well just come and knock at my door and see what happens!!

Don't EVER forget history!!!


Thanks Charlie for the pictures, it reminds me just why my Dad went to Germany and did what he had to do. May God bless him and all others that fought on the Alias side.

May true freedom rule the world forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Dachau

Postby Romulus111VADT » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:07 am

The scariest part of all this is that it can happen again. It was proven in 1967. It was called, "The Third Wave"
http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/Auxiliary/Psychology/Frank/Thirdwave.html

They made a movie about it- http://www.learmedia.ca/product_info.php/products_id/868

This is why we must never forget the painful lessons of history.
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Re: Dachau

Postby ozzy72 » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:08 pm

Hey it happened again only a couple of years ago here in Europe. The Balkans War anyone?
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Re: Dachau

Postby Marlin » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:42 am

Current day, Darfur Africa,

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