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I know this. But maybe I'm loosing knowledge (or at least 'misplacing it' as I get older.  ;D

The 'First Reich' I believe, at least in the Nazi philosophy, was the Roman Empire, but what is considered to have been the second?

Was it the Weimar Republic or Bismarck's period, or something else (although one of thiose rings a bell)?

I recall reading all about this when I was younger, but as I said, I think the knowledge 'fell out'.  

Good one Brensec. I never really thought about this before.
You can find most things on Google.

During and after the Franco-Prussian War nationalistic feelings ran high among Germans. On January 18, 1871 (ten days before Paris was taken) Wilhelm I was proclaimed Emperor of Germany at the military headquarters in Versailles. The Holy Roman Empire had now ended and the Second Reich (German Empire) was formed. Bismarck was appointed the new empire's first imperial Chancellor.

http://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/2ndreich/

Wow, I never knew that.  Very interesting.

Well there you go. So it was Bismarck's 'period. (Although I didn't know what it was called).

Thanks Hagar, maybe the knowledge isn't falling out as quickly as I had feared!  

"The 'First Reich' I believe, at least in the Nazi philosophy, was the Roman Empire"

Might make an interesting History 101 paper.

My read is that the Romans were not out to slaughter populations as the N's did on Jews and Slavs.  The Romans did kill opposition leaders and assimilated defeated populations into their commercial empire and made them citizens.  Commerce was the life of the Empire so what was the point in eradicating populations?  They had no problems with doing what ever was necessary to hostile tribes to gain submission. They also imposed Roman law in conquered territory.  Whatever else, a uniform system of settling disputes and the basis for Western law.  

"The 'First Reich' I believe, at least in the Nazi philosophy, was the Roman Empire"

Remeber that the "The Holy Roman Empire" was not the Roman Empire of Julius Caesar, Octaius, etc. times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

The link above gives some interesting history about this "Reich" (which means "Empire") which was neither "Holy, Roman, nor an Empire"

Remeber that the "The Holy Roman Empire" was not the Roman Empire of Julius Caesar, Octaius, etc. times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

The link above gives some interesting history about this "Reich" (which means "Empire") which was neither "Holy, Roman, nor an Empire"

Too True. The "Holy Roman Empire" has absolutely nothing to do with the Ancient Rome that we are all familiar with. In fact, it's a bit perplexing as to how they came up with the 'term' at all. The Roman Empire was long dead by the time the term was first coined.

I think the first german Reich was the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations". It seemed to be a general name for hundreds of german mini-nations.

I think the first german Reich was the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations".

Weren't that those annoying little bastards in Medieval Total War? Just like the French, The Brits, The Spannish, ... ?

Weren't that those annoying little bastards in Medieval Total War? Just like the French, The Brits, The Spannish, ... ?

Can you explain your comment and what bearing it has on the discussion?

Weren't that those annoying little bastards in Medieval Total War? Just like the French, The Brits, The Spannish, ... ?

Hey,I could easily spread the Reich over half of Europe. I even dared to attack the pope himself...*evilgrin*
Unfortunately,he and many other catholic nations then declared war on me. And that was just too much.

Felix,it's okay. He's talking about a great strategy game set in the medieval. Conquer Europe,make allies and enemies and lead huge armies into battle as a general.
More infos: http://www.totalwar.com/
All in fun.

Can you explain your comment and what bearing it has on the discussion?

I just hope i didn't make you angree ...  :-[

Silent explained what i was reffering to. However, it was the first time i heard of the Holy Roman Empire. Must have missed that part in History class. When you see that name, one could easily mistake it for an empire linked to the Pope.

For once a computergame actually learned me something!  ;D

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one could easily mistake it for an empire linked to the Pope.

For once a computergame actually learned me something!

I hope I can confuse things a little more.  In approximately 364 (AD) the Roman Empire was divided into West (Rome) and East (Constantinople).

The "official" death of the western empire was 476 and the "official" death of the eastern empire was 1453.  Of course, the "official" seat of the eastern empire had nothing to do with Holy Roman Empire in Europe.

so what?

there was the holy roman empire (is that like a religious empire with the POPE as supreme commander basically).

and the roman empire (the one the controled Northern England to Northern Africa).

the second reich was under bismarck?

and the third reich was hitler?