Why We Fight

[Kabouter_Plop]

If you haven't seen these there is something seriously wrong with your country's educational system.

Nope nothing wrong with our educational system. We just don't care much for propaganda movies...

[Strategic Retreat]

If you haven't seen these there is something seriously wrong with your country's educational system.

But... why would ITALIAN educational system contemplate making see these films? Beside to scholars of recent history, I mean... and even then, as Carlo rightly said... we have done SO much to stop OUR propaganda to be shown everywhere (with mixed success, seen we aren't able to stop Berlusconi to make a hash of things), why should we start following the propaganda on another nation? 70 years old propaganda too, by the way...

You MUST keep in mind that the internet is not USA-only.

[Webb]

If you haven't seen these there is something seriously wrong with your country's educational system.

Nope nothing wrong with our educational system. We just don't care much for propaganda movies...

If the Dutch had seen this Anne Frank might have survived.

[Webb]

If you haven't seen these there is something seriously wrong with your country's educational system.

But... why would ITALIAN educational system contemplate making see these films? Beside to scholars of recent history, I mean... and even then, as Carlo rightly said... we have done SO much to stop OUR propaganda to be shown everywhere (with mixed success, seen we aren't able to stop Berlusconi to make a hash of things), why should we start following the propaganda on another nation? 70 years old propaganda too, by the way...

You MUST keep in mind that the internet is not USA-only.

Umm, Italy was the enemy.

Do you even know who was involved in World War II?

Supreme Leader Benito Mussolini and F

[andy190]

If you haven

[Webb]

The Dutch offered no resistance to Nazi invasion.

Would they have offered resistance if they had foreseen the consequences?

Anne Frank died 2 weeks before Bergen-Belsen was liberated.

[andy190]

The Dutch offered no resistance to Nazi invasion.

Would they have offered resistance if they had foreseen the consequences?

Anne Frank died 2 weeks before Bergen-Belsen was liberated.

I don't know where you find your history but the Netherlands did put up a fight before capitulating & forming a Government in exile.

the Battle of the Netherlands

The main problem was that the Dutch Army was Ill-Equipped & Ill-Trained.

Also those films weren't produced until 1942 & the Invasion of the Low Countries was in 1940.

[Bass]

There is surely some misunderstanding/misinformations going on in the world today, expecially when talking history a "few" years ago

[Kabouter_Plop]

Webb, I suggest you go back to school, take some history lessons instead of watching US propaganda movies. We did put up a fight against the Nazi invasion. Problem was that the Dutch Army was indeed badly equipped and trained. Because of the fact that we stayed neutral in WWI, we still had a fighting force on the level of before WWI. Although they fought bravely and hard for 5 days, they couldn't begin a thing against the overwhelming German troops. Outnumbered 10 to 1 even the US Army would have given up.

During the war, there was a huge resistance movement against the Nazis. Bombings, sabotage and killings were a daily business for them. Although there also were a lot of people supporting the Germans. They all got their share after the war. Even now, people don't want to confess that their (grand)parents were in support of the Nazis.

Anne Frank. It's unfortunate that she died. Remember that during the war no one knew who Anne Frank was. She only got famous after the publishing of her dairy. In the 1950's....

So before you start talking nonsense again, go take some lessons in history, instead of believing everything in movies...

[Strategic Retreat]

Umm, Italy was the enemy.

Do you even know who was involved in World War II?

ITALY WAS THE ENEMY? YOU ARE HAVING ME ON!!!



Of course I know the history, even if I wasn't part of it at the time (was born 25 years too late to, even as a toddler, and at least 40 to participate), but...

Were we talking about sides here? :-?

Nope, we were talking about the suitability to show those films to TODAY'S school-boys and girls.

Now, if the thing would be somewhat arguable in the USA, since it's 70 years ever since those films had any actual contact with reality...

What should THE REST OF THE WORLD care, beside those who have a bare curiosity of wanting to assist to propaganda from the allies against Baldy and Mustachino?

And even more, why should the... BRAZILIAN educational system (just to take a nation that wasn't actually active part of THAT mess) ever care to do a thing like that?

I repeat, Internet is not a USA-only exclusive, so in the announcement "there's something wrong in your educational system if...", please state you're talking about USA educational system or expect some [70 years delayed] flak.

[wifesaysno]

I still have to agree that the public education system in the US is a wee bit broken. I graduated from a public highschool in '08 after moving about a couple of times all the while attending PUBLIC schools. I can say all are screwed up: both the well funded ones and the lets just say 'poor' ones....nevermind how they treat special needs children!
My in-laws had to listen to several school officials tell them that their adopted daughter was not bi-polar....even though police have been involved far to many times.

[Webb]

Heaven forbid you just watch it instead of spending hours bitching about it.

[C]

The Dutch offered no resistance to Nazi invasion.

Would they have offered resistance if they had foreseen the consequences?

I don't know where you find your history but the Netherlands did put up a fight before capitulating & forming a Government in exile.

In the big scheme of things, the polite, but not extended resistance of the Dutch (brought to an end partly by the obliteration of Rotterdam), and then the subsequent Battle of France and Dunkirk evacuation did us a huge favour.

Had they not ended when they did and with the results they did, we'd have been left fighting a war of attrition in the same place as the Great War, with a probable German victory before any  official US involvement. We'd have eventually been stuffed, and had very little (if anything) left to defend an invasion of the British isles, and the consequent ending of any meaningful military resistance in Europe to the Third Reich.

[Strategic Retreat]

Had they not ended when they did and with the results they did, we'd have been left fighting a war of attrition in the same place as the Great War, with a probable German victory before any official US involvement. We'd have eventually been stuffed, and had very little (if anything) left to defend an invasion of the British isles, and the consequent ending of any meaningful military resistance in Europe to the Third Reich.

I seriously doubt, with the advance of aerial power happened in the twenty years between the two wars, that a war of attrition would have happened in the given scenario. More like the Stukas (at the time a more than adequate tool for infantry support. Way better than any other form of artillery) would have had A LOT to say on how the supposed battle was to end... and not well for the UK... but rather quickly, I believe. So quickly that a real war of attrition scenario would not have had a concrete way to realize itself.

[C]

I seriously doubt, with the advance of aerial power happened in the twenty years between the two wars, that a war of attrition would have happened in the given scenario. More like the Stukas (at the time a more than adequate tool for infantry support. Way better than any other form of artillery) would have had A LOT to say on how the supposed battle was to end... and not well for the UK... but rather quickly, I believe. So quickly that a real war of attrition scenario would not have had a concrete way to realize itself.

I didn't say it would have been a two way war of attrition. We (the allies) would have been, bombed, panzered and overrun by the end of 1940 at the latest. We'd have lost. Comprehensively.