3rd September 1939 - 11.15 am

[expat]

The world is not a tidy and neat place, governed by formalities.  As far as I'm concerned, the commencement of hostilities is all the declaration I need to conclude a war has started.

Yes it is, because if you do not go to war properly these days, you will end up in the dock a a later date, whether you are a leader or just a troop following orders.

Matt

[Ijineda]

Lets see, wars without any "war declaration":





USA vs. Vietnam (1965 - 1971)

USA vs. Iraq (1990 & 2003)

USA vs. Afghanistan (2001)

Iraq vs. Kuwait (1990)

All the israeli vs. arab countrys wars (1947-49, 1956,
1967, 1973, 2006)

NATO vs. Serbia (1999)

USSR vs. Afghanistan (1979-89)

India vs. Pakistan (1947-49)

France vs. Algeria (1954-62)

Nigeria vs. Biafra (1967)

Egypt vs. Libya (1971)

UK vs. Argentina (1982)

USA vs. Grenada (1983)

USA vs. Panama (1989)

Yugoslavian civil war (1991-1999)

Rwanda (1994)

USA vs. Somalia (1993)

2nd Intifada  (since 2000)

Darfur (2003)

and the list aint near from being complete.




On the other hand, states at war (declaration of war was made but no peace treaty):

Israel vs. Syria and Lebanon (sionce Yom-Kippur)

North Korea vs. South Korea

Russia vs. Japan (since 1945)

Netherlands vs. Portugal (since 1567)


Conclusion: noone is declaring war any more. going to battle is enough of a declaration.

[Woodlouse2002]

You've included some civil wars there (Yugoslavia) and some genocides (Rwanda). Do they really count?


Oh yeah, the USA didn't go to war with Somalia. They were there on a humanitarian mission.

[Ijineda]

Oh yeah, the USA didn't go to war with Somalia. They were there on a humanitarian mission.

us sent their soldiers there to fight an kill. thats war to me.

maybe the locals would agree.

[Woodlouse2002]

us sent their soldiers there to fight an kill. thats war to me.

maybe the locals would agree.

No. The troops were sent there to ensure that the people got the humanitarian aid that was being sent there instead of it all being taken by the warlords which was what was happening. They wern't allowed to shoot without being fired upon first.

[expat]

USA vs. Grenada (1983)

I wonder what the USA would have said if the UK invaded Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket Island?

Matt

[Woodlouse2002]

I wonder what the USA would have said if the UK invaded Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket Island?

Matt

I might try that one day. Would quite like to go to Martha's Vineyard.

[Boomtown Rat]

I might try that one day. Would quite like to go to Martha's Vineyard.

Trade you for the Isle of Wight.  ;)

[expat]

Trade you for the Isle of Wight.  ;)

Only if you take Parkhusrt and it's "guests" as a job lot  ;D

Matt

[dcunning30]

Regarding the USA vs Granada thing, to be accurate, Cuba sents soldiers into Granada to support a violent coup.  There were American civilians in Granada, specifically American medical students.  The US sent it's military in because of the civilians.  So, to be accurate, Cuba participated in a coup in Granada, and the US kicked the Cubans out.

[dcunning30]

Yes it is, because if you do not go to war properly these days, you will end up in the dock a a later date, whether you are a leader or just a troop following orders.

Matt

I know that's what the Hague want's to have happen, but there's politics in everything.

[Theis]

On the other hand, states at war (declaration of war was made but no peace treaty):

Israel vs. Syria and Lebanon (sionce Yom-Kippur)

North Korea vs. South Korea

Russia vs. Japan (since 1945)

Netherlands vs. Portugal (since 1567)


Conclusion: noone is declaring war any more. going to battle is enough of a declaration.

You forgot this one

Russia vs. Germany (Since 1945)

[Bird-Nerd]

well this may be a  little belated but, the attack on pearl harbor was suppossed to play out as some diplomatic ploy, so that america would not declare war against japan. but it didn't turn out that way.

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]well this may be a

[eniranjanrao]

I have watched pearl Harbour the old one  25 times on DVD at home i still cannot come to the conclusion that how did the US ignore so many warnings, even on the net after going through so many sites I cannot understand how such a blunder could happen with the loss of so many men.