Hell no, we won't go!

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Hell no, we won't go!

Postby Webb » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:20 am

The United States passed its first military conscription (draft) on March 3, 1863, to raise armies for the Civil War.

On July 13, 1863, it tried to enforce it.

It did not go well.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13 to July 16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week) were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history.

President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops from following up after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish. They resented that the draft spared wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 commutation fee to hire a substitute.

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned ugly. At least 100 black people were estimated to have been killed. The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, stated on July 16, "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it." The military did not reach the city until after the first day of rioting, when mobs had already ransacked or destroyed numerous buildings, including public buildings and homes of abolitionist sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground. The children were not harmed ...


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Re: Hell no, we won't go!

Postby Strategic Retreat » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:51 pm

Whenever you are, wherever you are, war is a ugly thing...

...at least for those who must fight it, and that is the problem for all the higher ups, always so eager to transform thousands of people in so much cannon fodder (not to talk about the most of the time wealthy inbred bastards that still today enrich themselves with war).

Those thousands destined to the slaughter can at times, especially if foul play is present in the whole, resent the fact and the potential of them reacting violently is a step away.

In Europe, in war time, problems like these expounded in the previous post were pretty much resolved with the military law that if you didn't answer to the war draft, no matter if another got away from it legally paying his way out, you'd be be facing a firing squad, but I guess it was quite more difficult to do the same in a country where the constitution itself to this very day still grants all the citizens the right to arm themselves... peculiarity this last that in Europe (that I know) has never happened.

Yes, personally I'm quite envious about this last part and have at times wondered at how some of the most shameful and officially never happened dastardly acts of the various "good governments" hereabout have done in the past would have ended instead had the defenseless people been able to answer with fire to the fire.
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Re: Hell no, we won't go!

Postby Webb » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

During the 1860 campaign Lincoln promised, "
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Re: Hell no, we won't go!

Postby Strategic Retreat » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:28 pm

[quote]During the 1860 campaign Lincoln promised, "
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Re: Hell no, we won't go!

Postby Webb » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:06 pm

I paraphrased it for dark comedic effect.

"I will not send American boys halfway around the world to do a job that Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.
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