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Re: WWII

Postby TacitBlue » Mon May 22, 2006 5:34 pm

That would explain the grass skirt... :P
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Postby dcunning30 » Tue May 23, 2006 9:19 am

And Mariana is Polynesian. ;) 8)



Whoa!  .....and I always thought the islands were named after Mariana of Austria by Jesuit missionaries back in 1668.

....silly me.   ???
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Re: WWII

Postby H » Tue May 23, 2006 12:08 pm

...or Maria Anna and the islands weren't named Mariana Islands until well after she was named ;). Actually, they had independant Chamorran names and, from the time of Magellan until the last century, they were more often known as "Islands of Thieves." Of course, that's translated from Spanish, which I'm too lazy to look up right now. Spain ceded claim after the Spanish-American War, Guam to the United States and northernmost islands sold to Germany; Japan took control of Germany's claim in 1914 (they were enemies in WW1) and the U.S. took possession in WW2, so the Marianas are Micronesian-American now. 8)
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Re: WWII

Postby beaky » Tue May 23, 2006 7:09 pm

Sort of back on-topic: I got sucked into the TV last night by a very interesting docu-biography of old Goebbels himself; very educational for me.
 His diary was quoted extensively, and his comments on the Catholic question were interesting. I don't know if Hitler shared this view personally, but like a lot of Nazis, Goebbels saw the Church as it existed at that time as corrupt and ineffective, and he tolerated "those clerics" only to the extent that he could co-opt and manipulate the churches and their congregations until National Socialism could replace Christianity altogether. He had to be very careful about it at first, though, because so many Germans were staunch Catholics, and of course Jew-bashing could be  done from a Christian pulpit with excellent effect...
He was certainly not a Nordic pagan, although he no doubt appreciated the effect of resurrecting all of that stuff to promote the myth of ancient German racial purity- a very powerful tool if wielded properly.  In this documentary, he refers more than once to Nazism as a religion unto itself, in terms of its function... Ultimately, all of the old gods would be left behind, so that the people would worship the modern state-  the manifestation of their collective will. I don't have much use for religion myself, but that alternative gives me the creeps; there's something just plain wrong with that.
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Re: WWII

Postby H » Wed May 24, 2006 1:34 am

The heads of state (kings, pharoahs...) were effectively considered gods, or the sons/daughters thereof in many past kingdoms.
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Postby Scorpiоn » Tue May 30, 2006 5:02 pm

And Mariana is Polynesian. ;) 8)

She lied to me. :'(
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Postby H » Tue May 30, 2006 7:11 pm

She lied to me. :'(
As I translated, it's "Islands of Thieves," thus a stolen name. 8)
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