April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

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April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby RichieB16 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:04 am

On April 21, 1918, legendary German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen (aka "The Red Baron") was shot down for the final time.
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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby H » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:51 am

On his tale?
Actually, Manfred Richthofen, Arthur Brown (RAF209, Flt A Leader), Wilfred May, Wolfram Richthofen (Manfred's cousin, whom May had initially attacked) and Oliver "Boots" LeBoutier (RAF209, Flt B Leader) were but a few in the tale. The first victory was given to the Australian 3rd who went on their way when Brown's A Flt charged in to assist. Manfred's Jasta 11 arrived and, if my research was correct, the Albatroses were from Jasta 5. Everybody was on everybody's tail. :o
I've had trouble with uploads in the past and, if I can't and you so wish, PM me about getting a CD of my April Skies Commemoration.
Manfred was Brown's last (10th) "credited" victory; he eventually entered politics, unsuccessfully tried to rejoin the RAF in WW2 and died at @ age 50.

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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby RichieB16 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:10 am

You maybe correct but my understanding was the May was being chased my Richthofen and Brown was coming to his aid.  That they had broken from the the rest of the flight.  I also thought that neither Wolfram or Lother von Richthofen were involved.  But, I may be wrong.
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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby Craig. » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:51 am

There are so many versions of the story I dont think we will ever know the real story.
Safe to say I dont think there will ever be a pilot talked about so much.


P.S. I prefer the Blackadder version. Lord Flashheart shoots him in a german prison cell while he's blabbering on about something ;D
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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby H » Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:13 am

Lotham had already been previously injured and was not involved; Wolfram and May were both recent transfers (May had also been a schoolmate of Brown's) and been told to stay out of any fray. However, seeing Wolfram likewise milling about, May attacked and followed Wolfram in a dive right through the battle circus.
May continued firing at everything until his guns jammed, then headed for home. A (probably) irate Manfred Richthofen went after his cousin's attacker. Brown tended to 'snoop' around during battles to rescue colleagues, saw May in trouble and went full throttle after Manfred.
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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby Hai Perso Coyone? » Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:22 pm

Lotham had already been previously injured and was not involved; Wolfram and May were both recent transfers (May had also been a schoolmate of Brown's) and been told to stay out of any fray. However, seeing Wolfram likewise milling about, May attacked and followed Wolfram in a dive right through the battle circus.
May continued firing at everything until his guns jammed, then headed for home. A (probably) irate Manfred Richthofen went after his cousin's attacker. Brown tended to 'snoop' around during battles to rescue colleagues, saw May in trouble and went full throttle after Manfred.


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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby Red_Baroness » Thu May 04, 2006 8:39 pm

Excuse me whilst I pounce on this like little brother LOTHAR.

Wolfram was supposed to be observing, like Wop May, but both could not resist jumping into the furball.

It's rather well documented in several good books on Manfred, but sadly, none of them can agree on who actually shot Manfred down.

See http://www.theaerodrome.com and check the forums for endless discussion on this subject.
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Re: April 21, 1918: Red Baron Shot Down

Postby H » Fri May 05, 2006 12:03 am

Wolfram was supposed to be observing, like Wop May, but both could not resist jumping into the furball...
That's basically what I'd informed but, unlike with May (Allied battle reports are more readily available), I couldn't find Wolfram's direct account (I don't speak German and I'm not in Germany so I had to rely on indirect sources). I've checked the aerodrome site, as well as others, and many other sources long ago.
Some information is conjectural and/or conflicting and I've some of my own 'possibles' after comparing information. For one, according to a couple accounts, Manfred said, "Kaput," while pointing at his machine gun and it was actually broken. Brown was certain, by his tracers, that he'd hit Manfred's Dr-1 and Manfred had turned to look back at him (something got Manfred's attention). Although it is highly unlikely that a ricochet got Manfred (Manfred's turning to look back would have changed his body angle in relation to Brown but probably not to the angle for the bullet that killed him), it is quite possible that Brown had managed to put the gun out of commission as well as alert Manfred of the possibility of getting another bullet in the head (he was already having chronic headaches from that one).
I did a mission set for CFS1, April Skies, that includes commemorative, though not at all exhaustive, .avi files (playable via RealPlayer or Media Player) I made but couldn't seem to upload. :( Guess I'd have to mail it out on CD if someone wanted them.
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