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The FAA may change position and hold to line up and wait.  I think it is crazy. Line up and wait sounds un-professional.  It sounds like what a kid with a small vocab would say.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Po ... 830-1.html

I don't see how this will improve operations in any way.  The FAA has lately been adopting a lot of ICAO language, which at least from my viewpoint has made things more confusing.

[quote] The FAA may change position and hold to line up and wait.

"Position and hold" is a lot better than the mouthful we used back in days when the radar sweep still turned clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere - "Taxi into position and hold" and give a reason for the hold - usually landing traffic yet to clear the runway.

"Position and hold"

I've heard both taxi into position and hold, and the abreviated version in the RW.

On IVAO, the first time I heard "line up and wait" in London, I thought "line up behind what?"

Well, I wasn't so dense that I couldn't interpret what he meant. Funny Brits! 

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"Line up and wait" suggests, to me, that you are joining a queue, "lining up" behind another aircraft... although I realize it means "line up with the runway and wait there for instructions". That's just how it sounds to me. Maybe it's an American thing: we don't join queues, we line up.

As I've said before, I think the wait/hold bit of both is spurious; after you've positioned/lined up, what else exactly would you do?

Since much of U.S. ATC phraseology is written with potential litigation in mind, the idea of having the aircraft's acknowledgment of a stop (hold) instruction on tape seems to meet this requirement.

As I've said before, I think the wait/hold bit of both is spurious; after you've positioned/lined up, what else exactly would you do?

Since much of U.S. ATC phraseology is written with potential litigation in mind, the idea of having the aircraft's acknowledgment of a stop (hold) instruction on tape seems to meet this requirement.

I don't think either of them are too hard to understand, in Canada they say Line up and Wait, but I'm on the border between Canada and US, so I've heard both quite a few times. Line Up obviously means to align yourself with the runway, but it can also make sense in a queue kind of way too, it simply means that you're number 2, which is like a line-up. In any case though, I think everyone should try to get onto the same page, instead of being just in the same book, differences in communication can lead to devastating results.