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P-82

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:54 pm
by expat
This is for any of our State Side members please. So what is the real story here With all the "ownership paperwork" it has been returned to the USAF. The story is a bit thin to be able to see what the history of the ownership story is and why the Air Force wants it back from the Confederate Air Force. Is this a case of it's a very rare aircraft we want to have it, or have I missed something.

Matt

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:17 pm
by BSW727
Sounds to me as though the Air Force gave clear and legal ownership to the CAF and they re-nigged on he deal. I really don't know how that could happen with the documents the CAF provided the court.

At least it wasn't a flying example. I think I would have put up more of a fight had it been airworthy.

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:50 pm
by DaveSims
Sounds to me as though the Air Force gave clear and legal ownership to the CAF and they re-nigged on he deal. I really don't know how that could happen with the documents the CAF provided the court.

At least it wasn't a flying example. I think I would have put up more of a fight had it been airworthy.


I think that was the argument the USAF used against the CAF.  The aircraft hadn't been restored since its accident because the CAF didn't have the resources yet, but the USAF can.  There are many that don't like the CAF, they believe the proper place for these warbirds is in a museum, not flying airshows.

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:27 am
by specter177
Doesn't POF have a P-82, or at least part of one?

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:23 am
by expat
Thanks for the feedback guys :)

Matt

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:39 am
by ShaneG_old
I think the USAFM just needs spare parts for the one they have on display.  ::)

Greedy bastards.  :P  ;)

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:59 am
by C
. The story is a bit thin to be able to see what the history of the ownership story is and why the Air Force wants it back from the Confederate Air Force.


Commemorative Air Force. :)

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:48 am
by The Ruptured Duck
What a load.  Airplanes belong in the sky, not sitting on a tarmac being crapped on by birds.  At least with the CAF there was a chance to get it flying again.

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:58 am
by DaveSims
[quote]What a load.

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:57 pm
by Ivan
Why don't they pull the same action Yakovlev did with the Yak-3M... dig up the old rigs and build a few brand new ones

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:28 pm
by The Ruptured Duck
Why don't they pull the same action Yakovlev did with the Yak-3M... dig up the old rigs and build a few brand new ones

Well there weren't that many P-82's built, and like many other aircraft WW2 and afterwards, many were destroyed for scrap.

A customer/friend told me theres a guy in Ohio who collects old aircraft and keeps them in his back yard (has an entire B-36) and I recall from one of the photos I saw there was a P-82.  Although I'm not certain its not the one the CAF purchased.

Another option would be to find 2 "D" model Mustangs (which were produced in massive quantities) and attach them, since thats all the P-82 was.


Off topic, does anyone know if Fifi is airworthy again?

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:59 pm
by specter177
Another option would be to find 2 "D" model Mustangs (which were produced in massive quantities) and attach them, since that's all the P-82 was.


That's a common misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-82_Twin_Mustang

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:34 pm
by The Ruptured Duck
Another option would be to find 2 "D" model Mustangs (which were produced in massive quantities) and attach them, since that's all the P-82 was.


That's a common misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-82_Twin_Mustang

I'm missing your point.  The only changes were the fuselodge lengthening and the center wing section.  H instead of D maybe?

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:35 am
by expat
So was the P82 a pilot/copilot, pilot/nav or pilot/weapons operator configuration?

Matt

Re: P-82

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:03 am
by Hagar
So was the P82 a pilot/copilot, pilot/nav or pilot/weapons operator configuration?

Matt

Depends on model. Long range fighter variant were pilot + co-pilot/nav.  Night-fighter variant pilot + radar operator. http://www.vectorsite.net/avp51_3.html