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Just heard on the radio.... tragic waste of life...  :-[
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6425419.stm

"Some passengers wanted to get their hand luggage. I cried to them, 'get out, get out'.

Probably cost some people their lives.

"Some passengers wanted to get their hand luggage. I cried to them, 'get out, get out'.

Probably cost some people their lives.

Why apart from your wifes hand bag, required medical stuff etc do we need hand luggage. Every day the amount of crap that I see people take into the cabin is unbelievable. Also in this day and age of terrorism, all you need is you and your boarding ticket and a passport. Get rid of overhead bins and people would change the amount that they take on board. Leave a couple for just in case. Also boarding would be so much quicker.

Matt

"Some passengers wanted to get their hand luggage. I cried to them, 'get out, get out'.

Probably cost some people their lives.

Why apart from your wifes hand bag, required medical stuff etc do we need hand luggage. Every day the amount of crap that I see people take into the cabin is unbelievable. Also in this day and age of terrorism, all you need is you and your boarding ticket and a passport. Get rid of overhead bins and people would change the amount that they take on board. Leave a couple for just in case. Also boarding would be so much quicker.

Matt

Exactly. I've been saying this for years.

I would like to echo that; unless it becomes an international standard for all aircraft it would never happen. No airline would take the risk of going bust for trying it on.

Anyway back on topic.

Considering the plane practically was reduced to nothing I think the death toll was fairly low myself. I expected almost everyone to have died, but 5 out of 6 people inside survived. I wonder if the cockpit crew made it out?

Indonesia doesn't have the best safety record either.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 270797.stm
Not very good.  :-/

Illustrates very well the fact that most airline passenger injuries and deaths occur on the ground... people try to haul all their luggage into the cabin to save time checking them in and picking them up (and avoid losing it), then they're yakking on their phones during the safety briefing, and don't bother to note the nearest exit and make an escape plan.
Then there's the chaos that occurs when perfectly rational people fear their lives are in danger...

My usual business-trip kit is my tool case, which I check, sometimes with a duffel if I need more clothes than I can squeeze in the toolbox, and I carry on only a laptop bag/backpack and my flight bag, which contains my camera and snacks as well as my flying gear.
That's all- and in the event of an emergency, I'd never think twice about grabbing any of it before exiting.

Any frequent flyer appreciates carrying their luggage on the plane.

And another one...

Just remember that for indonesia, Adam air is sacred but Garuda is unfailable.
Basically they are blaming Alqaeda from the first sign something wasnt right

When I fly, I take a small carry-on, compared to others, anyway. All I need is my MP3 player, a book or two, some snacks, extra batteries for MP3 player, and a change of clothes, just in case.

I know that eventually my luggage will be lost, but I never put anything of value in it really. The only valuables I have are on me at all times; watch, wallet, ring, and phone. Clothes are easily replaced, so if they lose my luggage, I won't be pissed, I just expect to have it returned/be compensated.

[quote]Any frequent flyer appreciates carrying their luggage on the plane.

Some video footage here. I don't know if any of you have seen any.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b9_1173306001

Indonesia needs to get their act together.  Banning planes over 10 years old?  Sure that should do it.  They need to get on the airlines's case as well as make sure they educate consumers in what to do in case of emergency.

As for the carry-ons, I usually take a gym bag and keep it under the seat in front of me.  iPod, Book, etc.  Wallet and phone are always with me.  I dont like taking schlepping it, but its better than being bored all flight.  I really wish they would let me put the bag closer to myseat and put my feet under the seat in front of me, but I see there are important safety considerations.  As for the overheads, I think removing them would make the cabin look bad. Idk why, but i just think it would.  Look at a pic of a B1900 interior and youll understand why.

The problem with the checked luggage system normally isn't the computer, its the human factor.  People make mistakes, you can't 100% program that out.  There are even times when bags are left off due to weight and balance issues.   Some US airlines are now starting the planeside checking of bags on all flights, and I love it.  

As for the survival factor, sadly in an incident involving fire many don't make it out.  Jet fuel burns very hot. and it only takes 90 seconds for the aluminum skin of the aircraft to fail in a fire.  As an airport firefighter, US regulations require us to be on scene in three minutes, and a lot of times its all we can do to make the time requirement.  

From what I've been hearing and reading, the flight skidded off the runway, possibly after flying too fast on the approach.  The aircraft then proceeded to break apart and catch fire.  If this is the actual situation, it would seem a procedural issue with the flight crew.  In the aviation world it doesn't take much to cause a catastrophe, which is why proper training is so important.