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The copilot:




And the captain (yes, that's John Wayne- he actually does some real acting in this one; I've gained a new appreciation for his work recently):
     


Their only cargo is a huge aircraft engine, but it's heavy enough... and now they're a bit lost, having been bullied by the weather enroute. Conditions are perfect for icing...
     



The C47 was equipped with an elaborate system of ducts and vents for heating the cabin with warm air... none of which did much good at all, according to Gann and others.





And of course, they start to pick up quite a load. the de-ice boots are working well enough:

     




     
But every other part of the airframe is getting thick with the stuff. The C47 and DC3 were not known for being good ice-carriers... they know they have to get clear soon, or they're in big trouble, boots or no boots.






The props start hurling chunks of ice against the fuselage (ever wonder where those dents come from on those old Gooneys?)...

     



The older guys have heard this drumbeat before, but the younger guys are getting a little nervous...

     


Next: part 3

YAY!  More Rotty Movies!  

You think you could send me a list of all the movies with the C-47?  I think itd be nice to rent them all and just sit on the couch with some popcorn for a day

YAY!  More Rotty Movies!  

You think you could send me a list of all the movies with the C-47?  I think itd be nice to rent them all and just sit on the couch with some popcorn for a day

You think correctly. I probably couldn't tell you every movie with Gooneys featured in them, but I'll get you a list of the ones I've seen.

Love how the ice looks on the aircraft, I don't for see that really happening, cuhz it looks like theres a pitty amount frosted all over for flight conditions.

Very good Sean...brought back some old memories

Oh...

You know the small escape hatch behind the pilot on the port side....that is where we used to keep our milk and anything we wanted kept cool.

When the ice came off the props it made quite a racket, it sounded like someone was loudly knocking on a door.
We would tell the new crewman to answer the door to see who was outside LOL

Got some really odd looks sometimes, or a few "you got to be kidding remarks", but don't ever remember anyone trying to open the door. LOL

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
P.S. If anyone ever shows a shot of an old radial engined DHC-3 "Otter" I shall tell you about the hydraulic fluid test we used to pull on the new fellas LOL

Figured you'd  would be weighing in here, Doug... I'd ask if you've seen the movie, but no doubt you lived it, to some extent.

What do you make of the comment about the icing pattern on the airframe? Obviously these shots are soundstage "magic", but SkyNoz brought up an interesting point: would it ever build up evenly like that, or strictly on the leading edges, even on the items protruding from the fuselage?
I'm assuming you've flown with some ice... perhaps you'd rather not reminisce on that subject.  ;D

Stay tuned for more!!

Hi Sean:
With prop ice and de-icing boots on it is not really likely you would see that sort of airframe ice, now that could depend on the severity of the storm of course.

Where you would most likely pick up something like that is after deicing and taxing to take off.
Some of the deicing fluids are very sticky and yes wet snow will stick.  
When deicing you really only want the control surfaces done, but lots of times an aircraft will have snow and ice all over the wings and airframe from sitting outside in a storm.
The deicing crews will spray the entire aircraft except the cockpit windows (I hope) to deice the aircraft.  If it is still snowing then this is where you can get into a problem.  But, again, it will depend on what type of deicing fluid is used.  I have seen many an aircraft taxi back in with snow build up after deicing because of delayed departures.

I have not checked it out myself but there should be several good sites on deicing fluids and they are recycling deicing fluids now.  One of the major company's is "Inland" which has a site and some interesting information on deicing fluids and recycling them.

The best defence to-day is a good weather briefing prior to departure.  With the type of information available to-day and aircraft weather radar, there is no reason a professional pilot should get into a problem with weather.  That goes for all pilots, weekend bug smasher drivers, general aviation, bush flying, commercial and military flyers.
Part of that defence is a Captain who will say no go. He will either delay the flight or cancel it.  This can cause inconvenience to many but at least they will all still be alive to complain about it.

Yes I have had my share of bad weather flying, sometime I used it as a training tool, when it was the copilots turn to fly the next leg, make the decision of go/no go and then turn to me ten to fifteen minutes into the flight, with the colour draining from their face and sweaty hands and then ask me what I thought of the weather report.  That is when you sort of become a father figure, gently point out his/her mistakes (so all of a sudden they don't become a passenger on you) and mention to them there are no stupid questions, only stupid decisions.  They should never feel alone in the decision making, it is and always will be a team effort. (Aircrew, weather briefers, despatchers etc.)

Sorry to ramble on Sean, but think of this.
I would rather be down here,
Wishing I was up there,
Than
Up there,
Wishing I was down here.
 ;)

Cheers....Happy Landings....Doug
 

Interesting stuff.

Now doug, can you tell me anything about this plane?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1046387/M/

.Mic

Hi Mic:

Well the DeHavilland of Canada DHC-3 was and still is the greatest bush, stol and utility aircraft ever built.
You could land on a dime and take-off and leave 9 cents change .
They had a nine cylinder radial engine (PW-R-1340) and could carry fuel in the wings and the belly.

Love how the ice looks on the aircraft, I don't for see that really happening, cuhz it looks like theres a pitty amount frosted all over for flight conditions

Might be official Douglas icing test footage...

Well the DeHavilland of Canada DHC-3 was and still is the greatest bush, stol and utility aircraft ever built.

An-2 carries more load...

Might be official Douglas icing test footage...

No, it isn't... there's a "Making of" section on the DVD; they did a lot of brilliant soundstage work with partial or complete real aircraft.

An-2 carries more load...

But it flies terribly after loss of an engine...

Hi Ivan:
The Antonov AN-2P is a very good aircraft.
I was in one about this time last year when it landed at Canadian Forces Base Trenton.  Never got up in it thought, just went through it on the ground and chatted with the crew.
I do like the way the side cockpit windows are, much like a Grumman Tracker, you can look out and down without loosing your headset or cap.
Here is some info I just found at Airliners.Net:
AN-2P
Speed 139kts...cruise 100kts
Range with 500kg (1100 lbs) is 900km (485nm)
Not sure if that is with reserves or not as it did not say and did not see maximum altitude
DHC-3 Otter with P&W R1340 (not the Turbo Otter)
Speed 140kts...cruise 105kts
Range with reserves 1520km (820nm)
Range with 950kg (2100 lbs) 1410km (760nm)
Altitude above 18000ft

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug