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Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:42 pm
by bbstackerf
Just curious. When I fly an aircraft in the sim, basically from just after takeoff to just before final approach I usually set the auto pilot to keep the correct altitude and heading. The only time I don't is when I'm flying a smaller a/c for fun or 'checking out the scenery'.
My question is, in a real a/c would this be acceptable, or do most real pilots only use auto pilot for extreme IRF conditions or during long stretches between course and or altitude corrections?
Keni

Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:28 pm
by Nexus
individual. Some pilots may handfly the aircraft to 10.000ft and then engage it. While some pilots like to engage if just after clean-up at around 2000-3000ft etc.
But keep in mind that no one flies the aircraft as cost efficient as the AP, and airlines encourage their crews to take advantage of automatic flight.
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:29 pm
by beaky
Never used one myself, but sure, lots of people use them for as much of a VFR flight as they can. There are even quite a few light planes with partial autopilots- that is, "wing-levelers". They won't hold a heading per se, but will keep restoring the plane to negative bank if disturbed by turbulence (up to a point); very convenient sometimes.
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:13 pm
by beefhole
Well, Nexus has already said it, but to calrify, yes, it would be acceptbale.
There's a full AP in the 172s that I fly but it's never even been mentioned...
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:51 pm
by bbstackerf
Thanks for the responses, guys. I feel better knowing I'm not doing something that wouldn't be realistic.
Keni

Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:13 pm
by Brett_Henderson
Two of our Cessnas have auto-pilots. The 172 has a legit heading hold.. It chases the heading bug and holds it pretty darn well. It's also "supposed" to track a VOR radial, but I'm not sold
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:32 pm
by bbstackerf
Cool. Thanks for the input, Brett. I got to sit in the right seat in a Cesnna 206 on a Sedona air tour. Me being an avid simmer just sat there trying to take in everything the pilot was doing. ;D
Keni

Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:09 pm
by beefhole
Just to clarify (again

) bb, to the vast majority of pilots using the AP consistently (or at all) on a 172 (or like GA aircraft) would be completely unacceptable. Almost all pilots completely handfly smaller aircraft.
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:00 am
by Brett_Henderson
Just to clarify (again ) bb, to the vast majority of pilots using the AP consistently (or at all) on a 172 (or like GA aircraft) would be completely unacceptable. Almost all pilots completely handfly smaller aircraft.
If you say so...
(that's too silly to comment on)
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:49 pm
by beefhole
If you say so...
(that's too silly to comment on)
Please note I said "the vast majority." I do not know of a single pilot who would applaud (or even condone for that matter) the use of the AP in, say, a 172. Not even for IFR. I'm not really sure the point is arguable, but if your experience is different, please share. (I personally find it more fulfilling than a snide comment)
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:37 pm
by Brett_Henderson
I said in an earlier post.. that on longer flights, as soon as I'm level and trimmed, I'll engage an auto-pilot if one's available.
I've been flying for 26 years, 600+ hours, intrument and commercial rated and a checkride away from becoming a CFI.
Your infinite wisdom deemed my flying (and the flying of the
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:37 pm
by beefhole
My word choice as poor, yes. Don't try to pass off your comment as anything but rude however, Brett.
Every GA pilot I've talked to-and there's plenty of them-hand flies their aircraft, every time, all the time. What I meant to say was the majority of GA pilots hand fly their aircraft almost all the time. Whereas in larger planes use of the AP is essential and a major part of the curriculum, use of the AP is often ignored in, say, a Private Pilot course as most instructors want their students to be able to hand fly always. The AP is usually taught, at best, as a little bonus.
It always annoys me when I **** up and give people the wrong impression-I preach putting yourself in your place, and not pretending to have more knowledge than one actually does. Again, my word choice was poor. Could we agree on the above?
Re: Just curious regarding A/P in real Aircraft.

Posted:
Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:06 pm
by Brett_Henderson
I'm sure we'd agree on a lot of things where internet BBS's weren't the only way we communicated. Word choices and manners get lost quickly.
I just found myself a bit incredulous to be told that on a long flight, at the same altitude and heading, use of an autopilot was an unacceptable practice.. and I should have said as much two posts ago. Noboby appreciates and enjoys hand-flying more than I. However, you can monitor the gyro/compass and altimeter just fine (and all the engine gauges(probably better)) without having to constantly adjust your heading and trim. Not to mention saved time/fuel and reduced pilot fatigue.