Ju-52/3m information needed

[Jean Loup]

It was my seventh birthday (in 1950) when my uncle Otto took of from Pamplona with my mother, father & me as passengers, in Tante Ju GUADiANA from Iberia. I managed a texture to replicate it with only one photograph in B&W, using W.O. Fisher (muchas gracias, señor) excellent model, that includes a replica of Manfred von Richthofen, suposedly Goering's executive transport aircraft based at Tempelhof, commanded by Hans Bauer. My question is about the REGiSTER: WICH iS THE RIGHT ONE?

this is W.O.Fisher's ‘Manfred von Richthofen’, in my Golden Wings version of FS 2004, with register D-ABiK:


This is a profile side view of ‘Manfred von Richthofen’ but register is D-2527:


This is a german paper model of ‘Manfred von Richthofen’ also registered as D-2527:


To further my confussion, I found in forum A2A simulations this article about ‘Technik-Museum Sinsheim’ -a technical museum in southern Germany- with a cripled non flying ‘Tante Ju’ with register D-2527, in regular Lufthansa pre-war livery:


WICH iS THE RIGHT ONE? Gracias, Jean Loup

[Hagar]

It seems more than one Ju 52 was used as Goering's personal aircraft at various times during the 1930s/40s. That would explain the different registrations.
See below:

Junker Ju 52-3/m 4069

Lufthansa D-ABIK 1935 'Manfred v. Richthofen' Goerings travelling aircraft used until 1936

(D-ABIK Junkers Ju52/3m 4069 D-ABIK EU-XXII DLH 'Manfred v. Richthofen'- Goerings travelling aircraft 00.00.35 To Eurasia 3.38 Destroyed by Japanese bombing Hong Kong 12.41)

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Junker Ju 52-3/mfe 4022

Lufthansa D-2527 1933 'Manfred von Richthofen' Lufthansa D-AGUK 1934 'Manfred von Richthofen' reregistered RLM FLUGBEREITSCHAFT D-AGUK 'Kurt Wolf' 1935 Goring's travelling aircraft crashed 1942

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Junker Ju 52-3/m 4066

Luftwaffe D-ABAQ 'Manfred v. Richthofen' Goering's travelling aircraft Luftwaffe GC+AE destroyed 09.01.43

(D-ABAQ Junkers Ju52/3m 4066 D-ABAQ GC+AE Manfred v. Richthofen' Luftwaffe -Goering's travelling aircraft 00.00.35 Crashed Ssalsk 1.43)

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Some useful references: http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-52/Junkers-Ju-52.html

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_D-a.html

I'm not sure why or when the registration codes were changed from letters to numerals.

[papituwall]

I just have this 1:72 model (don't remember make) of D-ABIQ.



The static plane at Sinsheim looks as a CASA 352 with EMMASA Beta engines (about 75-100 HP more power than the original BMW's). I have seen several times from the close motorway, the orange Canberra attracts the eyes...

More on FS Tante JU, don't miss Pierino Primaversi JU52:

http://www.ju52-3m.ch/index.html

Ha has made a CASA 352 model, as far as I know all airworthy JU52 are CASA 352.

[Jean Loup]

It seems more than one Ju 52 was used as Goering's personal aircraft at various times during the 1930s/40s. That would explain the different registrations.
See below:
Junker Ju 52-3/m 4069
Lufthansa D-ABIK 1935 'Manfred v. Richthofen' Goerings travelling aircraft used until 1936
(D-ABIK Junkers Ju52/3m 4069 D-ABIK EU-XXII DLH 'Manfred v. Richthofen'- Goerings travelling aircraft 00.00.35 To Eurasia 3.38 Destroyed by Japanese bombing Hong Kong 12.41)
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Junker Ju 52-3/mfe 4022
Lufthansa D-2527 1933 'Manfred von Richthofen' Lufthansa D-AGUK 1934 'Manfred von Richthofen' reregistered RLM FLUGBEREITSCHAFT D-AGUK 'Kurt Wolf' 1935 Goring's travelling aircraft crashed 1942
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Junker Ju 52-3/m 4066
Luftwaffe D-ABAQ 'Manfred v. Richthofen' Goering's travelling aircraft Luftwaffe GC+AE destroyed 09.01.43
(D-ABAQ Junkers Ju52/3m 4066 D-ABAQ GC+AE Manfred v. Richthofen' Luftwaffe -Goering's travelling aircraft 00.00.35 Crashed Ssalsk 1.43)
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Some useful references: http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-52/Junkers-Ju-52.html
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_D-a.html
I'm not sure why or when the registration codes were changed from letters to numerals.

Acording to the Battle of Britain 1969 movie, Gloering traveled by train. No wonder, after so many personal aircraft crashes!! He either had the worst Luftwaffe pilots, or Adolf was jealous...

Muchas GRACiAS, Hagar.

[Jean Loup]

I just have this 1:72 model (don't remember make) of D-ABIQ.
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1450436310.jpg
The static plane at Sinsheim looks as a CASA 352 with EMMASA Beta engines (about 75-100 HP more power than the original BMW's). I have seen several times from the close motorway, the orange Canberra attracts the eyes...
More on FS Tante JU, don't miss Pierino Primaversi JU52:
http://www.ju52-3m.ch/index.html
Ha has made a CASA 352 model, as far as I know all airworthy JU52 are CASA 352.

This GUADiANA wich was my first aircraft ride, must have been a CASA 352 model I am shure.

http://www.aviationcorner.net/gallery_e ... bum_id=131

Muchas GRACiAS, Papituwall

[papituwall]

Only to complete the info:

JU 52 used by Iberia were of diffrent sources but the first ones were bought to Lufhansa before the Spanish war.
A picture of EC-AAI "Guadiana" shows that is an original Junkers. The CASA had not wheel fairings and the central engine cover was longer.



Good flights!

[Jean Loup]

Only to complete the info:

JU 52 used by Iberia were of diffrent sources but the first ones were bought to Lufhansa before the Spanish war.
A picture of EC-AAI ["Guadiana" shows that is an original Junkers. The CASA had not wheel fairings and the central engine cover was longer.

Good flights!

GRACiAS AMiGO PAPiTUWALL, I tweaked Junkers Ju-52/3m model ‘Lord Charles Somerset’ (texture.3) into ‘Guadiana’ texture, with DXTBmp, Paint, Office, Notepad & LOTS of copy/paste:

From this...


...to this:

[papituwall]

¡De nada!
Nice job Jean, and a request: why don't upload your repaint here at Simviation?
Only a detail, the round badge in the tail, the arrows and yoke are in red, not yellow.
¡Un afectuoso saludo!

[papituwall]

Just to add somo infor about Tante JU engines, all of american origin :

Ju 52 engine: BMW 132, a derivative of licence built Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet

CASA 352: ENMASA Beta, that is an improved derivative of Shvetsov M25 that is a licence built Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 (not clear if the USSR paid the fees...)
This engine was used by the Polikarpov I-15 and I-16 fighters used in the spanish civil war by the Goverment airforce. Production lines for I-16 were created in Spain and also for the engines was in charge the aeroengine manufacturer Elizalde (later nationalised as EMMASA- National aeroengine enterprise).
The BETA is a much improved version of the Wright with modifications made with data of war extreme use.
In fact for the advanced trainer Hispano Ha 100, in a comparison between the Wright and the Beta, this latter was chosen.

[Jean Loup]

¡De nada!
Nice job Jean, and a request: why don't upload your repaint here at Simviation?
Only a detail, the round badge in the tail, the arrows and yoke are in red, not yellow.
¡Un afectuoso saludo!

SOMEBODY (O Fisher?) might get "rusty" and use foul language... about that round badge, are you shure? I don't have any color photos In this image, it is white on black, but the photo is all black!



Here it looks white also

[Jean Loup]

More on FS Tante JU, don't miss Pierino Primaversi JU52:
http://www.ju52-3m.ch/index.html

That page (unfortunately) has NO MORE downloads

[Jean Loup]

I mailed Primavesi to find out if another site was downloading his Ju-52's, but



(Confounded APACHES & DAEMONS!!) Ni MODO: ADiOS Jean Loup

[papituwall]

Sorry for not having checked Pierino's page. His Ju52 is still here: http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php ... d=43074630 a float version: http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php ... fid=149541

The arrows and yoke, are the Reyes Católicos unity of Spain badge that was taken by Falange Española. No question of talking about History here.

This is the Falange flag:

[papituwall]

Clarification:

1- The use of this emblem by the Nationalists (rebels) is because the ideology of Falange Española was taken (not exactly ...) by the General Franco's regime.

2- At the very start of the war, both contenders had the same planes,

To aviod confusions the Goverment added red stripes in fuselage over the roundel, later also on the wings. (the plane is a Hispano-Nieuport 52):




The nationalists painted the tail in white with St. Andrews cross and black roundels over the republican roundels in fuselage and wings (later arrows and yoke added in fuselage) and later camouflage (italian style).



This is the Fiat CR32 of the rebel ace Comm. Garcia Morato (40 kills)



An airworthy Polikarpov I-16 in Spain painted as the republican ace Capt. José Mª Bravo (23 kills)


St. Andrews cross is still the emblem of the Spanish airforce:

[Jean Loup]

Clarification:
This is the Fiat CR32 of the rebel ace Comm. Garcia Morato (40 kills)

There you are, the FALANGE emblem in white over black. In aircraft it seems Falange colors depended on paint availability & time allowed on the ground. I decided Guadiana's emblems from a die cast model of Guadalquivir, if I remember correctly (BUT unable to find it again, blasted Google!!)

As for Primavesi, I have the "Wasser" model & the Ju-Air models. The Winter version (& Swiss Army Knife version) with Paratroopers jumping out of Tante Ju, BUT going down from the top of the screen ABOVE Tante Ju, are gone. (Same strange Parachutistical behavior on de Havilland DH.89A Dragon Rapide "The Rothmans Skydiver")