Another Planes Crash ??

[Jetranger]

Another Planes Crash , planes because more than 1 crashed !

2 as a matter of fact and guess why ??

they both ran out of "Liquid"

I mean Really, little more to Flying than just sitting behind the controls holding onto the yoke looking at instruments and such.

Something called Pre-Flight Planning , knowing your Aircraft, knowing your course your gonna take and how much fuel your gonna need, as well as weather conditions and WIND conditions, such as Head winds that'll consume more fuel as you Fly , along with Weight of the Aircraft.

So these 2 Aircraft had to DITCH in the Ocean , because they both ran out of Fuel, on the same day

Bet they got their pilots license and certification from the same instructor or place of certification too, wouldn't be surprised.

What they do lower the bar nowdays for getting a pilots license and getting certified, just give us your money, and your good to go, you'll figure out the rest as you Fly Along, with all the recent small plane crashes the last 2 to 3 years and the majority ended up dying, killing themselves , appears somethings going on.

Pilots need to be Mechanically inclined too as well, and be aware what to look for on the Aircraft , Pre-Trip Inspection of their Aircraft, and Post Trip Inspection after Flight too, and I don't mean just a walk around of 30 seconds or less either !!!!!

I don't hold a pilots license, never have, but I have Flown before for quite a few years in my younger days, thanks to my Father who actually did Fly and held a Private Pilots License for 53 Years , and never had an incident or an incursion.

But Dad was Super Mechanically inclined and really into Aviation and Airplanes and Engines and the Weather.

He was a Commercial Heating & Air Technician on big huge buildings for a well known world wide company for 20 years as their service technician.

His Pilots license states and records state the he obtained his 1 pilots license way back in 1951 and held one until his death of Leukemia at age 82 in 2013.

I have almost all his Pilots Log Books dating back to the early 1950's with hand written entries in a leather bound vintage Pilots Log Book he made.

I have an entire Library of Aviation Books, Flight Charts, Maps, all kinds of Aviation related stuff and the people he ran into and met in his life, from Richard Branson, to Patti Wagstaff to Burt Rutan, to Chuck Yeager, Bob Hoover, Howard Hughes, John Glenn, I can't even name all the people, I'm just not all that familiar with everybody from those eras.

I dunno' but some need to take Flying for real, way more seriously the Life you Save - may just be yours !!!

2 Planes run out of Fuel, same day : http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-small-planes-go-into-pacific-off-hawaii/

[Jetranger]

I Called some friends of mine with the Hawaiian Coast Guard and asked them to shoot Video of this.

Heres the Video Footage of the Ditching in the Pacific Ocean off Hawaii

Video : [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCUQlF3MMU[/youtube]

[wifesaysno]

This dual fuel starvation event was a big topic of conversation in my engineering office today...revolving around BRS (Cirrus calls it CAPS). BRS already has counted this SR22 chute deployment a 'save' even though when you do the math, if the weight in the CAPS system was replaced with fuel, he would have made it & even though there was some bad flight planing...

Then the other, the Cessna with 4 souls, is a clear example of how you can STILL survive even without BRS! No need for the GD chute. Just fly the airplane....on a similar note, on my 1st cross country and 1st formation flight this past weekend, I experienced my 1st engine failure....guess what, no chute and we all (including the plane) made it just fine...trick is, train train and train some more. That is exactly what saves lives. Note that Cirrus HAD by far the worst safety record of any GA aircraft until recently WITH the chute. That changed recently not with a 'better' chute but better TRAINING!!!!

As you can tell, I am very much opposed to the chute being shoved down us manufacturers throats and very much against over simplification of flying. Flying is dangerous. But is made safe not by scrotum ticklers and butt scratchers but by being intelligent, cautious, un-emotional, and lots of training. I religious practice all sorts of engine failure stuff...in fact a local guy in my town just lost his life 2-3 weeks ago because he had not practiced this. His life could have been saved not by a chute, but by training.

The chute works, but I follow the Diamond aircraft approach to the chute (see their FAQs). It is a great tool and saves lives sure, but training, reliability, and a damn good airplane save more. Did you know that AFTER factoring in training accidents the OLD Cessna 172s still have a lower accident & fatality rate than the Cirrus pistons? That is changing with the new Cirrus training, but for a while that was thee case.

Tailwinds,
Go train!

[Jetranger]

The thing that I noticed about the Chute , was that once the Parachute is deployed, the Pilot has no control over the Airplane hardly , your at the mercy of the wind .

Now it may work fine over the ocean in the right perfect circumstances like seen here.

NO Power lines or poles or structural towers in the way.

No Nuclear plants in the way or Super High Voltage Power lines to get tangled up in on the way down.

But, a lotta flying is done over land, where its somewhat populated, and where theres High Voltage power lines to all kinds of Industrial plants, even out in the country rural areas sometimes.

So, I'd think, from my own experience being up with my Pilot Father, that it would be better to have some control over your Aircraft, than NONE at all.

The parachute may slow down the decent a bit for a cushier landing, in the right circumstances, but should the wind drift you into some power lines or toward a tall powerline Tower, your still in Deep Deep trouble with the chute !

Now your upside down Dangling 250 ft in the Air upside down 1/2 way out the door, hanging onto the seatbelt or the flight yoke blowing at the mercy of the wind, - back and forth - back and forth like a piece of string blowing in the wind ,,,,,, until,,,,,

----------------------------- SNAP

De' Ropes to the chute break and down ya go,,, arms flappin in the wind legs every which way,,,, as you fall from that 250' tall Power line tower

and just before ya hit the ground ,,, on the way downnnnnnnnnn ,,, ya hear a strange sound,,,,,,,

Moooooooooo'

then you smell something,,,,, that smells familiar,,,,

Ohhhhhh No,,,,,,,,,,

YIP, you guessed it your about to land in 1 Big Huge pile of Cow Manure , Fresh Cow Manure at that , ain't that the Shitz !!!!

Of course you'll probably Survive un-injured, BUT' , I guarantee you 99.9% of your Pilot Buddies aren't gonna want anything to do with you for a very long time , because you smell like Utter Shitz !!!!!

You can for get about goin to the Hospital, you'd be lucky to even see the back of the Ambulance , you smell so Badd.

in the Short of it, you'll end Walkin home !!

So, your walkin home, you've lost your airplane and - and you smell horrible , and nobody wants anything to do with you because you smell so badd

Its all the COWS fault, gotta be, those Darn Cows out there stinkin up the place and ,,,, you'd still have friends you could tell this story too !

[C]

Jetranger:

I think it comes down to airmanship. Every situation is different.

If, for whatever reason, I was lucky enough to be flying a BRS equipped aeroplane and, for whatever reason had an engine failure, I would base my decision to use BRS on where I was. If you're over open country, with a decent surface, I'd probably attempt a "normal" forced landing. If I was over mountainous terrain I would use BRS, as the chances of a successful landing reduce massively. Over water, again, I'd probably err on the side of BRS, particularly in a fixed landing gear aeroplane (retractable undercarriages make a water landing slightly less dangerous!). The slower descent without worrying about positioning would allow more time to prepare too, complete any emergency drill and prepare survival equipment.