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Will US airline industry buy and use China's new commercial jet? China seem to be bragging about their military aircraft superiority but just like Russia no one in the US wishes to use their commercial jet fleet. Do UK, France and Germany use Russian commercial jets? We use other foreign made aircraft in our airlines such as Embraer, SAAB, DeHavilland, Bombardiers, etc. but not Russian or Chinese made. Wonder why?

The most prolific outside Russia, Cuba, the former USSR republics, seems to be the Il-76.




United States Air Support Systems, LLC operates the Il-76/78 in fire fighting duties in the USA.


Gira Globo operates 1 Il-76.


Armenia Air Highnesses owned and operated Il-76T (EK-76300) on behalf of Aéro-Service.

Dvin Airlines has operated an Il-76TD.

Yerevan-Avia has operated 2 Il-76 (EK86724 and EK86817).

Azerbaijan Azal Avia Cargo operates 1 Il-76TD.

Azerbaijan Airlines operates 1 Il-76M.

Silk Way Airlines operates 7, including 5 Il-76TD and 2 Il-76TD-90.

Belavia operated the Il-76 before its closure in 1999.

TransAVIAexport Airlines operates 1, including 5 Il-76MD and 18 Il-76TD.

Gomelavia operates 5 Il-76TD.

Burkina Faso Faso Airways operates a single Il-76TD.

Cambodia Imtrec Aviation has operated a Laotian registered Il-76.

Trans Air Congo has operated an Il-76T.

Cuba Cubana used to operate 2 Il-76s.

Equatorial Guinea Ecuatorial Cargo operates 1 Il-76TD.

Express International Cargo

Georgia Sun Way has operated the Il-76TD.

Hungary Atlant Hungary has operated the Il-76.

Hungarian Ukrainian Air Cargo has operated the Il-76

Atlas Air has operated at least 8 Il-76TD.

Chabahar Air has operated at least 2 Il-76TD.

Mahan Air has operated the Il-76.

Payam Air operated 2 Il-76TD.

Qeshm Air operated 2 Il-76TD. (This airline disestablished)

Safiran Airlines is a former operator.

Yas Air operates 2 Il-76TD (Registered as EP-GOL and EP-GOM).

Iraqi Airways operates a single Il-76.

Jordan Jordan International Air Cargo - 2 Il-76MF delivered in 2011[31] and operated for the Royal Jordanian Air Force.

Air Almaty operates an Il-76TD for leased operations

Air Kazakhstan operated Il-76 aircraft until its closure in 2004.

GST Aero operates 1 Il-76T.

Kazakhstan Airlines operated the Il-76TD before its closure in 1997.

Sayakhat Airlines operated the Il-76 previously.

Kyrgyzstan Botir Avia operates 3, including 1 Il-76MD and 2 Il-76TD.

Kyrgyzstan Airlines operates 1 Il-76TD.

Reem Air

Laos Imtrec aviation of Cambodia operates Laos registered Il-76TD.

Latvia Inversija operates 3, including 2 Il-76T and 1 Il-76TD. Jamahiria Air Transport operates the Il-76M, Il-76TD, and Il-78.

Libyan Air Cargo, the cargo division of Libyan Arab Airlines, operates 21, including 1 Il-76M and 15 Il-76TD.
Mali Transafrica Airlines

Moldova Aerocom operated an Il-76MD as well as an Il-76T until as late as January 2005.

Airline Transport operated a number of Il-76 aircraft, losing 3 in accidents in 2004 and 2005.

Jet Line International operates the Il-76[33]

Tiramavia

Air Koryo

Serbia Air Tomisko operated 3 Il-76TD. Two were leased from GST Aero which had been before in service of Kosmas Air, and one more was added in May 2006.[37]
Kosmas Air operated two Il-76TD leased from GST Aero.



Sudan Air West operated a small number of aircraft, although it is unclear how many remain in service.

Azza Transport operates 2 Il-76TD.

East West Cargo operated a number of Il-76 aircraft.

Juba Cargo operates the Il-76[39]

Badr Airlines operates 2 Il-76,[2]

Trans Attico

Alfa Airlines

Green Flag Airlines

Syrian Arab Airlines operates 4, including 3 Il-76M.

Turkmenistan Airlines operates 8 Il-76TD.

Air Ukraine and Air Ukraine Cargo operated the aircraft, although none were in service at the time of bankruptcy.

ATI Aircompany operates a number of Il-76 models.

Azov Avia Airlines operates 2 Il-76MD.

BSL Airline operated as many as 6 Il-78.

Busol Airlines operated the Il-76 before its closure in 1998.

Khors Aircompany operates 2 Il-76MD.

Lviv Airlines operates 3 Il-76MD.

South Airlines is a former operator.

Ukraine Air Alliance operates 4, including 1 Il-76MD and 3 Il-76TD.

Ukrainian Cargo Airways operates 21, including 19 Il-76MD.

Veteran Airlines

Volare Airlines operates 3, including 2 Il-76MD and 1 Il-76TD.

Yuzhmashavia operates 2 Il-76TD.

United Nations The United Nations Humanitarian Air Service have operated several of the type from the early to mid-1990s to now. Most of them are either ex-Aeroflot or one that the Russian Air Force has lent to the UN.


United Arab Emirates Gulf Aviation Technology and Services operates a number of Il-76 aircraft on charter or lease.

Phoenix Aviation operates 2 Il-76TD.

Avialeasing operates the Il-76 on a charter and lease basis.

Uzbekistan Airways operates 14 Il-76TD.


Yemenia operates 2 Il-76TD.

I failed to see among listed any major commercial passenger airlines in countries like Germany, UK, France, Japan, Korea, and the US. Why is this so? Certainly Russian passenger jets cost less.

International politics, logistics and economics, my friend. The same reasons you don't see American planes listed on the rosters of Russian, Cuban, and Chinese airlines. No one wants their supply of brake pads cut off because Putin's whoever and Ted Cruz are having a contest about the size of their respective genitalia.

That shouldn't speak to the quality of their airplanes, necessarily. Ask anyone who's seen one break ground: if An-2's could fly under anything but "experimental" certificates, there'd be a lot less DHC-2's and DHC-3's around.

jcj78 wrote:International politics, logistics and economics, my friend. The same reasons you don't see American planes listed on the rosters of Russian, Cuban, and Chinese airlines. No one wants their supply of brake pads cut off because Putin's whoever and Ted Cruz are having a contest about the size of their respective genitalia.

That shouldn't speak to the quality of their airplanes, necessarily. Ask anyone who's seen one break ground: if An-2's could fly under anything but "experimental" certificates, there'd be a lot less DHC-2's and DHC-3's around.

For example, having worked on the Sukoi Superjet a couple of times, I can tell you it is a nice looking aircraft. One a whole it looks more like a regional Air Bus, probably because it was build in partnership and the quality is reflected by this. I think that the main problem with any American or UK company using Russian iron is............political interference. On the American side of the equation, can you imagine how many senators would all of a sudden be on the news if it was announced that American or North West were going to buy the Superjet. The other thing that gets in the way is that none of the Eastern Block countries aircraft are maintained according to Part 145 regulations. This is why Russian airlines operating Air Bus or Boeing aircraft (UTair, Aeroflot, S7 to name a few) either use outside contracted maintenance or heavily supported internal maintenance as all "Western" aircraft must be operated and maintained under Part 145 regulations. They are also subject to audits by national authorities when these aircraft are flown to said authorities counties. I know of one Russian airline at has had their Part 145 taken away from them twice......It is this requirement that is the biggest roadblock to operating any none Western aircraft.

Matt

jcj78 wrote:The most prolific outside Russia, Cuba, the former USSR republics, seems to be the Il-76.




United States Air Support Systems, LLC operates the Il-76/78 in fire fighting duties in the USA.

Air Support does not do anything related to firebombing and no one in the US operates any Russian bird for fire fighting. As Expat said, regs come into play with those Russian birds and the FAA is incredibly anal about certifying tankers in the US.

On the topic of Air Support, google them and they are an airshow outfit, that said, I remember not to long ago an entity with the same name popped up proposing taking the gun & armor out of retired A-10s and firebombing with them...they could not understand CG...then to make themselves further appear incompetent, they proposed certifying and manufacturing the Be-200 for waterbombing in the US and claimed they could do it all in a year or 2 for less than $100 mil...On the topic of foreign aircraft in the US, the Be-200 did make a 'guest' appearance on fires in the US on a trial basis. Results were good and enthusiasm for the big Beriev but again, the FAA ensures that by the time you can use it in regular service, you will be mountains of cash and years in the hole!

Tactical Air Defense Services Secures Agreement for Use of IL-78 and IL-76 Supertankers - See more at:http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2010/05/19/421437/192293/en/Tactical-Air-Defense-Services-Secures-Agreement-for-Use-of-IL-78-and-IL-76-Supertankers.html#sthash.sBHqc35J.dpuf



Tactical Air Defense Services Receives FAA Approval for Its ILyushin IL-78 Mid-Air Refueling Supertanker - See more at: http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2009/05/15/397693/165513/en/Tactical-Air-Defense-Services-Receives-FAA-Approval-for-Its-ILyushin-IL-78-Mid-Air-Refueling-Supertanker.html?parent=421437#sthash.Z8SV9bNA.dpuf

N78GF issued to IL-78 c/n 0083485558 to Air Support Systems.

AIR SUPPORT SYSTEMS LLC
Street 113 BARKSDALE PROFESSIONAL CTR
City NEWARK
State DELAWARE
Zip Code 19711-3258
County NEW CASTLE
Country UNITED STATES



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Not the same as :
AirSupport LLC
6470 Powell Hill Road
Naples, NY 14512
585-393-9000
(The airshow planners)
http://www.airsupport.com/contact.html


or

Air Support, Inc.
an air transport company in Tuscon and Phoenix, AZ
http://www.airsupportinc.com/contact/locations-hours/