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Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:26 pm
by Fozzer
One hundred and five Beechcraft King Air 350i's sold?

http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/turbo ... NjI1MTE0S0

Hows that for a deal!... :dance: ...!

Paul... :D ...!

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:47 pm
by OldAirmail
I bet there are more than a few Beechcraft employees who's faces are hurting from smiling so hard. :D

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:17 pm
by Jetranger
Thts cool about Beech craft , great if ya got that kind of money to be able to afford the 15,000 for charter service I guess.

BUT what really got my attention was what I seen below the article !

That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???

If any of you know anything about DIESEL, when its really really COLD outside, DIESEL has that tendency to JEL,, thickin up.

Doesn't matter if its #2 or #1 Diesel, even with Staryon' added to it which is about the best Anti-Diesel Gel ya can buy, but its expensive and seldom found over the counter at Truck Stops.

I Drive 18 wheelers all over the country for 23 years, thru the mountains out west mainly, and up North including Canada,, I can tell ta at higher Altitudes where the Air is thinner and Colder,, DIESEL becomes a problem, quick and in a hurry !

I've seen a lotta Rigs sittin along the shoulder in the winter and seen a lot that wouldn't Start after sitting for long periods, even tho they have fuel heaters and were plugged in.

I can imagine being up high in Altitude, where its a tad bit colder and then you hear - Sputter - Sputter,, Ker-punk - sputter,, Guarantee ya, you ain't goin to find a Truck Stop in the Air !!

Now what ya gonna do ????

Diesel in Aircraft - Badd Mistake !!!

Article : http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/pistons/diesel-skyhawk-comes-instructions-package

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:48 pm
by Brian Z
My favorite plane to fly (in sim, of course) and to paint... would love to see the Wheels Up livery.

Also, I bet the waiting list for a King Air just got a lot longer.

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:55 pm
by Brian Z
That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???


Not a turbo prop, a turbo diesel-- like your truck has. A turbo prop is a turbine engine that drives a propeller. I sure hope they've fixed the cold-temperature issues with diesel... maybe they've adapted it to run on Jet-A? The article is much too short, doesn't tell you much other than it's a turbo diesel engine.

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:06 am
by Jetranger
Ya your right Turbo Diesel,,, Opppps my mistake, thanks fer the correction !

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Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:20 am
by expat
Jetranger wrote:Thts cool about Beech craft , great if ya got that kind of money to be able to afford the 15,000 for charter service I guess.

BUT what really got my attention was what I seen below the article !

That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???

If any of you know anything about DIESEL, when its really really COLD outside, DIESEL has that tendency to JEL,, thickin up.

Doesn't matter if its #2 or #1 Diesel, even with Staryon' added to it which is about the best Anti-Diesel Gel ya can buy, but its expensive and seldom found over the counter at Truck Stops.

I Drive 18 wheelers all over the country for 23 years, thru the mountains out west mainly, and up North including Canada,, I can tell ta at higher Altitudes where the Air is thinner and Colder,, DIESEL becomes a problem, quick and in a hurry !

I've seen a lotta Rigs sittin along the shoulder in the winter and seen a lot that wouldn't Start after sitting for long periods, even tho they have fuel heaters and were plugged in.

I can imagine being up high in Altitude, where its a tad bit colder and then you hear - Sputter - Sputter,, Ker-punk - sputter,, Guarantee ya, you ain't goin to find a Truck Stop in the Air !!

Now what ya gonna do ????

Diesel in Aircraft - Badd Mistake !!!

Article : http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/pistons/diesel-skyhawk-comes-instructions-package




Well it does not seem to upset the Diamond and their Twinstar, a diesel powered general aviation aircraft that holds the record for flying none stop from from America to Europe on one tank of fuel. There is one that flys on a regular basis out of the airport I work at. On takeoff, it sounds like a 50cc moped that has had the exhaust removed.... :lol:

Matt

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:36 am
by Hagar
Jetranger wrote:That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???

If any of you know anything about DIESEL, when its really really COLD outside, DIESEL has that tendency to JEL,, thickin up.

Doesn't matter if its #2 or #1 Diesel, even with Staryon' added to it which is about the best Anti-Diesel Gel ya can buy, but its expensive and seldom found over the counter at Truck Stops.

It will use Jet A-1 fuel. I've not heard of problems with that.

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:22 am
by Fozzer
expat wrote:


Well it does not seem to upset the Diamond and their Twinstar, a diesel powered general aviation aircraft that holds the record for flying none stop from from America to Europe on one tank of fuel. There is one that flies on a regular basis out of the airport I work at. On take-off, it sounds like a 50cc moped that has had the exhaust removed.... :lol:

Matt


You are talking about one of the loves of my life...>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FS1 ..... :lol: ....

...and I've still got it!.... :D ...!

Paul.... :mrgreen: ...!

..and, of course, we've still got buzzing 2-stroke engines in Microlights/Ultralights/Flexwings, etc!... :D ...!

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:49 am
by Fozzer
Brian Z wrote:
That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???


Not a turbo prop, a turbo diesel-- like your truck has. A turbo prop is a turbine engine that drives a propeller. I sure hope they've fixed the cold-temperature issues with diesel... maybe they've adapted it to run on Jet-A? The article is much too short, doesn't tell you much other than it's a turbo diesel engine.


The usual argument for me... :lol: ...!

To avoid confusion.... ;) ...>>>

Turbo-prop: An aircraft fitted with a reciprocating piston engine coupled to the propeller, with its power boosted by the fitting of an exhaust driven turbine to boost the air pressure to the inlet manifolds, turbo-charged, (similar to a motor vehicle).
Beech Baron 58TC as an example.


Turbine Prop: An aircraft fitted with a rotary turbine engine (Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6, etc) coupled to the propeller.
Beechcraft King Air 350 as an example.

Paul....I love engines!...(and occasionally being pedantic!)... :mrgreen: ...!

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:38 am
by expat
Fozzer wrote:
expat wrote:


Well it does not seem to upset the Diamond and their Twinstar, a diesel powered general aviation aircraft that holds the record for flying none stop from from America to Europe on one tank of fuel. There is one that flies on a regular basis out of the airport I work at. On take-off, it sounds like a 50cc moped that has had the exhaust removed.... :lol:

Matt


You are talking about one of the loves of my life...>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FS1 ..... :lol: ....

...and I've still got it!.... :D ...!

Paul.... :mrgreen: ...!

..and, of course, we've still got buzzing 2-stroke engines in Microlights/Ultralights/Flexwings, etc!... :D ...!



I was going to say it made the sound of a Fissy when taking off, but unless you were in England in the 70's and 80's, no one would know what on earth I was taking about......except you Paul, being a biker since Pontius was a pilot....

Matt

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:47 am
by expat
Fozzer wrote:
Brian Z wrote:
That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???


Not a turbo prop, a turbo diesel-- like your truck has. A turbo prop is a turbine engine that drives a propeller. I sure hope they've fixed the cold-temperature issues with diesel... maybe they've adapted it to run on Jet-A? The article is much too short, doesn't tell you much other than it's a turbo diesel engine.


The usual argument for me... :lol: ...!

To avoid confusion.... ;) ...>>>

Turbo-prop: An aircraft fitted with a reciprocating piston engine coupled to the propeller, with its power boosted by the fitting of an exhaust driven turbine to boost the air pressure to the inlet manifolds, turbo-charged, (similar to a motor vehicle).
Beech Baron 58TC as an example.


Turbine Prop: An aircraft fitted with a rotary turbine engine (Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6, etc) coupled to the propeller.
Beechcraft King Air 350 as an example.

Paul....I love engines!...(and occasionally being pedantic!)... :mrgreen: ...!



You can be a pedantic as you want, there is no such thing in aviation as a turbineprop :snooty: :snooty:......... Unless you want to go to Canada and France, slap them about the head with a large wet fish and tell them they have been teaching their aircraft and engine courses incorrectly............Apart from which, ATR 42/72 turbineprop or Dash8 Q400 turbineprop sounds God awful on the tongue..:lol: :lol:

Matt

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:35 pm
by Hagar
Fozzer wrote:
Brian Z wrote:
That being a DIESEL Turbo Prop Cessna ???


Not a turbo prop, a turbo diesel-- like your truck has. A turbo prop is a turbine engine that drives a propeller. I sure hope they've fixed the cold-temperature issues with diesel... maybe they've adapted it to run on Jet-A? The article is much too short, doesn't tell you much other than it's a turbo diesel engine.


The usual argument for me... :lol: ...!

To avoid confusion.... ;) ...>>>

Turbo-prop: An aircraft fitted with a reciprocating piston engine coupled to the propeller, with its power boosted by the fitting of an exhaust driven turbine to boost the air pressure to the inlet manifolds, turbo-charged, (similar to a motor vehicle).
Beech Baron 58TC as an example.


Turbine Prop: An aircraft fitted with a rotary turbine engine (Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6, etc) coupled to the propeller.
Beechcraft King Air 350 as an example.

Paul....I love engines!...(and occasionally being pedantic!)... :mrgreen: ...!

I think it's you that's confused Paul. Turboprop

This is a turboprop engine.
Image

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:49 pm
by MASABI TROOPER
Wow, that new Beechcraft King Air 350i's looks very very nice....................

Re: Mr and Mrs Beech would be delighted!...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:45 pm
by Fozzer
Hagar wrote:I think it's you that's confused Paul. Turboprop

This is a turboprop engine.
Image


Exactly as I described...

A TURBINE Engine (Pratt and Whitney PT6) is a rotary engine driving a propeller....Beechcraft King Air 350; as illustrated above
(It might not sound right, [Turbine Prop], but it accurately describes the type of engine fitted. A Turbine engine, and not a Turbocharged Piston engine!).

A TURBO engine is a Supercharged/Turbocharged Piston Engine in a motor car driving the wheels....Volkswagen TC, etc...

...or, in an aeroplane, driving the propeller....Beech Baron TC/Spitfire...

"58TC Baron Introduced in 1976, run through 1984. Turbocharged engines, powered by 310 hp Continental TSIO-520-L engines".


Paul.....Turbo Turbine.... :mrgreen: ...!