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This is one expensive battery problem.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50491225/ns/politics/t/lithium-batteries-central-boeings-woes/

A short grounding is better than a several hundred million dollar lawsuit should one be lost due to a technical failure, such as a mid atlantic/pacific in flight fire.

inflight fires are taxing and can speed up decision making processes.

Yep! at least they nipped this one in the butt before anyone got killed.

It's good they didn't let money get in the way of the publics safety for
a change. Things are looking up.

I wonder how things are going on that whole "Stress Crack" thing?

Yep! at least they nipped this one in the butt before anyone got killed.

It's good they didn't let money get in the way of the publics safety for
a change. Things are looking up.

I wonder how things are going on that whole "Stress Crack" thing?

From what I have heard from some engineers and draftsman working on the 787, the stress cracks are still a problem but management found a way to cover it up...which is what I heard happened with all the fuel, electrical, hydraulic, and flight control system problems.


I am extremely happy the FAA grounded them now rather than waiting until one went down. Once they fix their mistakes, the 787 should be the next game-changing airliner though. 

Yep! at least they nipped this one in the butt before anyone got killed.

It's good they didn't let money get in the way of the publics safety for
a change. Things are looking up.

I wonder how things are going on that whole "Stress Crack" thing?

From what I have heard from some engineers and draftsman working on the 787, the stress cracks are still a problem but management found a way to cover it up...which is what I heard happened with all the fuel, electrical, hydraulic, and flight control system problems.


I am extremely happy the FAA grounded them now rather than waiting until one went down. Once they fix their mistakes, the 787 should be the next game-changing airliner though.

How many high tech aircraft never have a problem after roll out? and first run production? Even the classic airliners usually had some clean up after the first production runs..

Yep! at least they nipped this one in the butt before anyone got killed.

It's good they didn't let money get in the way of the publics safety for
a change. Things are looking up.

I wonder how things are going on that whole "Stress Crack" thing?

From what I have heard from some engineers and draftsman working on the 787, the stress cracks are still a problem but management found a way to cover it up...which is what I heard happened with all the fuel, electrical, hydraulic, and flight control system problems.


I am extremely happy the FAA grounded them now rather than waiting until one went down. Once they fix their mistakes, the 787 should be the next game-changing airliner though.

How many high tech aircraft never have a problem after roll out? and first run production? Even the classic airliners usually had some clean up after the first production runs..

Very true, but the source of concern for me was how much Boeing has been talking down issues like planes catching fire, leaking fuel, carbon fiber delamination, brake failures, and even windshields cracking especially considering it already entered passenger service. Safety is an issue when planes are carrying paying passengers. I believe the 787 program will be successful, but I firmly believe some fishy stuff happened/is happening at the top levels of the program.

Airliners in service need to be safe. Yes all new aircraft have issues, but having so many different issues pop up on so many airframes so fast is very shocking. An issue here and there is 100% normal, but not this many this often.

Yep! at least they nipped this one in the butt before anyone got killed.

It's good they didn't let money get in the way of the publics safety for
a change. Things are looking up.

I wonder how things are going on that whole "Stress Crack" thing?

From what I have heard from some engineers and draftsman working on the 787, the stress cracks are still a problem but management found a way to cover it up...which is what I heard happened with all the fuel, electrical, hydraulic, and flight control system problems.


I am extremely happy the FAA grounded them now rather than waiting until one went down. Once they fix their mistakes, the 787 should be the next game-changing airliner though.

Good grief Matt!
I did not know that about the 737's. Very disturbing stuff.

I am very thankful no one needed to die for the FAA to check the 787, hopefully this is a start of a massive wake-up call for Boeing.
They really need to start living up to there legacy:
(**some of you may disagree with a few, I made a few generalizations**)
1st monoplane American fighter: Boeing P-26
1st successful jetliner: Boeing 707
1st jumbo jet: Boeing 747
1st, 2nd, and 3rd USAF tankers: Boeing KB-29, Boeing KC-97, Boeing KC-135
1st practical strategic airlifter: Boeing C-97
1st 'wide body' land based airliner:Boeing 337
1st true strategic bomber for USAF: Boeing B-29
1st true strategic bomber for Soviet Air Force (VVO): copy of Boeing B-29 (the Tu-4)
1st nuclear bomber: Boeing B-29
1st jet powered heavy bomber in US: Boeing B-47
1st monoplane passenger plane: Boeing Monomail
1st 'modern' pressurized airliner: Boeing 247
Bomber with most payload: Boeing B-52
#1 airliner in history: Boeing 737
Most famous WW2 bomber (in US at least): Boeing B-17

Boeing has an incredible history. It is time to start living up to their reputation.

I just cancelled my flight to the Caymans. Me and the wife will be swimming there.  8-)

i am reminded that i live in a time very different from when i was young. you could count on things being on the up and up and on a mans word.

im anti government. i take with a grain of salt most anything printed. but to know someone in the mire, well that can change things.

i miss flying. i miss all the wonderful liberating things that went with it. Nine Eleven changed all that.

It may be that boeing is not being dishonest in there claims of quality over
quantity. I meen, come on, they're not murders and they sure as hell don't want
to loose all they've worked for all these years.

I think they need to take a long hard look at the workers on the line. like they say
"Your Only As Good As Your Weakest Link"

If you are not 110% obsessed with your own quality and workmanship, then you
have NO damn business being on the any aircraft production line.

The only other production line I can think of that's this important is submarines. No
room for error! Why do submarines have a much better safety record? because the
line workers are military trained to be obsessed with there own quality and workman-
ship

They can weed out alot of these week links by focusing on the outside contractors.
I think that's a huge problem.

Another detail that should be noted is that the battery that is having issues on the 787 is not actually built by Boeing, but rather a Japanese company.