A Question

Real aviation things here. News, items of interest, information, questions, etc!

A Question

Postby U4EA » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:55 pm

For all the experts here:

Say it's about 107 ambient ramp temp and you have a parked 737-300 that's been at the gate since arrival for about 50 minutes.

After shutdown there's either ground power or APU while sitting parked.  Unknown which was the provider.

Say, at boarding time, inside cabin temp is easily low to mid 90s.  Passengers load, mains start after pushback, and there is absolutely no change in air temp blowing out of the passenger vents which may or may not be significant.

BUT, after take-off and climbout to 28,000 there still is no change in the hot air the vents are blowing!

Now the query for the experts:  I realize that ambient air temp at 28,000 should be significantly lower than at ramp elevation.  And I realize that the mains are running at capacity therefore providing full power to all systems, like the air-conditioning.  So, with that in mind, was the crew possibly not fully versed on maintaining passenger comfort, or was the plane broke.

The side effect was that methinks I lost a good bit of water weight in the 'sauna' I was trapped in. :o

Thanx for any responses! 8-)
I love the smell of radials in the morning!
User avatar
U4EA
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 6850
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:32 am
Location: KSTL

Re: A Question

Postby planephysician » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:17 pm

The Temp Controller may have been set to "hot", not working or the Packs may not be on. Was there a sufficient amount of airflow from the gasper? The Recirc Fan may have been the only thing running and it was blowing the same, hot, cabin air that was there when you boarded. Of course, if you were in STL you were a victim of the humidity and the Packs weren't able to cool it enough. Seen that one a number of times!
Last edited by planephysician on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
planephysician
2nd Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:22 am
Location: Lost Wages, Nevada

Re: A Question

Postby U4EA » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:55 pm

That was probably it, and sorta what I suspected.  We were at Chicago Midway, destination KSTL, yesterday evening.  Air temp at the time was around 95 so I guessed that ambient ramp temp was somwhere in the 102-108 range.

I suppose that the outside air they intaked in-flight loses it's 'coolness' when it's compressed to enhance its 'breathe-ability'?

They probably let the temp get away from 'em, or the A/C system was overloaded, and niether condition was addressable til the sun went down.

Felt bad for the folks that had to stay on at StL for continuance to LAX. :'(
I love the smell of radials in the morning!
User avatar
U4EA
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 6850
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:32 am
Location: KSTL

Re: A Question

Postby expat » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:03 am

[quote]That was probably it, and sorta what I suspected.
"A bit of a pickle" - British translation: A catastrophically bad situation with potentially fatal consequences.

PETA Image People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 (Cat C) licenced engineer, Boeing 737NG 600/700/800/900 Airbus A318/19/20/21 and Dash8 Q-400
1. Captain, if the problem is not entered into the technical logbook.........then the aircraft does not have a problem.
2. And, if you have time to write the fault on a napkin and attach to it to the yoke.........you have time to write it in the tech log....see point 1.
User avatar
expat
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 8679
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:06 am
Location: Deep behind enemy lines....

Re: A Question

Postby U4EA » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:48 pm

Thanx Expat!  I wasn't trying to be insulting, but if something was broke I would think they would've announced something or had a different response than, "We're trying to do the best we can." 

It was either one of three possibles IMHO: a) broke, b) overload, or c) operator malfunction.

A straight answer from the attendants would've been nice, but they could've been gettin' smoke blown up their butts by the drivers and not known any better.
I love the smell of radials in the morning!
User avatar
U4EA
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 6850
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:32 am
Location: KSTL

Re: A Question

Postby planephysician » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:03 pm

Well, I guess being a 30+ yr mechanic who works on these systems daily doesn't qualify my answer I guess - my bad!
planephysician
2nd Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:22 am
Location: Lost Wages, Nevada

Re: A Question

Postby wifesaysno » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:20 pm

Well, I guess being a 30+ yr mechanic who works on these systems daily doesn't qualify my answer I guess - my bad!

There is always room to learn...so maybe the sarcasm can go.

I have been working on WACOs for a couple of months, but I have managed to learn some things about them that the folks that have been building and maintaining them for 15years did not realize..because I have a different view point.
wifesaysno
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1277
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:05 pm

Re: A Question

Postby expat » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:25 am

Well, I guess being a 30+ yr mechanic who works on these systems daily doesn't qualify my answer I guess - my bad!



I am 5 years behind you and still learning every day :D

Matt


PS, Why not post that you work in these systems when you gave your answer, saves a lot of time and I would have changed the way I replied and not trodden on your toes :)
"A bit of a pickle" - British translation: A catastrophically bad situation with potentially fatal consequences.

PETA Image People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 (Cat C) licenced engineer, Boeing 737NG 600/700/800/900 Airbus A318/19/20/21 and Dash8 Q-400
1. Captain, if the problem is not entered into the technical logbook.........then the aircraft does not have a problem.
2. And, if you have time to write the fault on a napkin and attach to it to the yoke.........you have time to write it in the tech log....see point 1.
User avatar
expat
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 8679
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:06 am
Location: Deep behind enemy lines....


Return to Real Aviation

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 142 guests