Missing Airliner

[Shane Stachwick]

The airline said the aircraft in question was a Boeing 777-200ER. That particular model doesn't have the best maximum range of the 777 family, but its fuel capacity is enough to fly for about 8 hours or so. From the point of where they turned of the transponder, they could be anywhere from Kazakhstan to the southern part of the Indian Ocean. Nobody is going to find anything for a very, very long time.

[alrot]

I'm too lazy to read the whole pages, but have anyone else thought that they might be alive too? who knows if this airplane was intended to be highjacked and it can be in North Korea? or somewhere else? ...I mean they haven't even found a piece of the plane yet, Fuel in the ocean what if they dump the fuel :.....


Alex

[logjam]

Alex, we've all explored that very possibility. Unanswered questions such as how come cell phone pings haven't been picked up? Apparently even if a cell phone is off, it transmits a "ping" to the satellite. You can't tell me that no-one on board carried a phone. Someone else suggested that the fire extinguisher gas could have been used to gas the passengers. That's not a poisonous gas, but could temporarily. I'm trying to plot a course from the last known primary radar plot to the Maldives, where I think it could be hidden. Then the passengers off loaded and dispersed to various locations. When that happens Iranean activists or Somali pirates will demand a ransom and blow up the plane to show they have them. What's your theory Alrot?

[Speed of flight]

Someone else suggested that the fire extinguisher gas could have been used to gas the passengers. That's not a poisonous gas, but could temporarily.

Halon, also BromoChlorodiFluoroMethane: Not completely toxic, but bad, yes. Additionally, anything that displaces oxygen could suffocate a human, such as N2, even. However, the only place you'll find halon is for the engine and APU fire extinguishers (and maybe a cargo compartment), and there's no way to get it from any of the bottles into the cabin. There would be assuredly easier ways to extinguish a passenger or two.

[BLAZE]

These jets have sealed cabins. So all you would really have to do is shut of the oxygen supply. They did that on
Stephen King’s "The Langoliers". That way, no fussing around with chemicals and what not. Just a flick of a switch
and everyone is knocked out.

Just talking about this gives me the heebie-jeebies.

[Jetranger]

BULLITIN :

If anybody in the near Future , posts photos or video's of themselves with a Boeing 777 cockpit Simulator, be very very suspicious, especially, if they claim, they have real passenger sound enhancements like FS Passengers

maybe some flight simmer wanted a Cockpit simulator with Real Passenger type enhancement sounds

takin' that Real as it gets,, a little tooooooooo far, don't ya think

[expat]

Someone else suggested that the fire extinguisher gas could have been used to gas the passengers. That's not a poisonous gas, but could temporarily.

Halon, also BromoChlorodiFluoroMethane: Not completely toxic, but bad, yes. Additionally, anything that displaces oxygen could suffocate a human, such as N2, even. However, the only place you'll find halon is for the engine and APU fire extinguishers (and maybe a cargo compartment), and there's no way to get it from any of the bottles into the cabin. There would be assuredly easier ways to extinguish a passenger or two.

The only place you will find Halon in close proximity to people today is........................in the cabin of commercial aircraft. It is just about the only place left that it is authorised for use due to the damage it does to the ozone layer and there is no other fire retardant that does the job quite like it. Am I sure about the location? Yes 101% because during A checks on 737's and cycle/hours/month checks on Airbus, I have to weigh and recertify them every calendar year. However the extinguishers themselves are relatively small.

These are the type I work with:
http://cabincrewsafety.com/stock/cabin/ ... isher.html

Matt

[expat]

These jets have sealed cabins. So all you would really have to do is shut of the oxygen supply. They did that on
Stephen King’s "The Langoliers". That way, no fussing around with chemicals and what not. Just a flick of a switch
and everyone is knocked out.

Just talking about this gives me the heebie-jeebies.

To shut off the oxygen supply, you would have to turn off both the air conditioning packs. Before you ran out of O2, the system would have automatically dropped the masks as low O2 equals low cabin pressure. OK, the cockpit crew have a longer O2 supply than the pax, however, no aircon means that in a few minutes you will freeze your parts off. So unless the crew where seen passing through security with winter parkers, they would soon become incapable of flying the aircraft due to the cold. And before you say turn off the pack to the cabin, pack 1 is dedicated cockpit, but in the event of pack 2 failure can supply more than enough air to the cabin. And pack 2 is cabin dedicated but can supply more than enough air to the cockpit. There is no switching involved, in the event a pack fails then the other supplies the air by the path of least resistance at the mixing chamber.

As often is the case, books and Hollywood do not reflect real life when aviation comes into question.

Matt

[CrashII]

Here are two theories I heard today. First one is that the FMC was altered during the flight. Here's more of that story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world ... ml?hp&_r=0

Second one (and take this as a conspiracy theory and it's not mine...): Next week there will be a nuclear top meeting in The Hague, The Netherlands. All of the world biggest names will be there. Steal an aircraft, disable all comms so everyone is looking in the wrong direction, change the registration and transponder, fly it to Schiphol Amsterdam as a regular flight. Drop it on The Hague, right before you land.

I hope they find this plane soon, so the relatives can have peace of mind about what happened to their loved ones.

[logjam]

O boy, drop it just before you land eh? Believe me, if any were dropped, there would be no landing! Even before Polaris, V bomber Pilots knew there'd be no coming back if they dropped one. That was the effort behind "Blue Steel." It was a stand off bomb, lobbed from a distance enabling the crew to get home. However before they got home, any retaliation meant that home wouldn't exist anymore.

[logjam]

O, BTW, That link to the NY Times is supported by Boeing. It would definitely take a manual edit of the FMC to divert in such a manner. It is unlikely that a mistake could have been made in entering the waypoint unless the 2 pilots were 1/2 asleep at the time. The ACARS is something like an ON star system. It communicates whilst the aircraft is running, but it takes the owner to subscribe to the services. In this case Malasian declined.

[expat]

Reprogramming the FMC, way to complicated. Much easier to turn the heading dial on the autopilot......

Matt

[logjam]

I agree Expat, for a simple turn yes. However they reckon that this reprogram would have been added whilst still on the ground, to take effect after the last known waypoint Malaysian Air Traffic and Air defence would have been able to track. It's their theory, I still reckon it's part of a massive scheme to free the Pilot's uncle from Jail.

[expat]

WASHINGTON — The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

How in the name of anything do they know that. It is absolute speculation to be able to say how the aircraft was turned off track. Without the CVR and the ADR there is no way to know if it was an FMC turn, heading dial or pilot input. Other than the aircraft is missing and it was not sending the information that it should have been we know nothing about what happened.

Matt

[Fozzer]

All the speculation gets more outrageous and outlandish by the minute!...>>>

My e-mail In-box today:

http://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/going-di ... OTcyMTk1S0

What do I reckon?.... ....

I reckon it will be Wednesday, tomorrow morning...

In fact, I am sure it will!.... ...!

Paul.