Missing Airliner

[expat]

I'm thinking crew at this stage. Maybe captain.

Possibly why it is only the press that are using the word hijacked and the authorities are not............

Matt

[Bass]

Here is a little statement from a dk Flightexpert:

What are the Malaysian authorities doing?
This is communication of the worst kind from the Malaysian side. They contribute to the conspiracy theories, and it is very hard to see the point of not talking to the clear and unambiguous speech - especially compared to the relatives.

Answers remains..

[Bubblehead]

Over a week now all I've heard from aviation and security experts are speculations. But the latest new info regarding the roller coaster ride of the aircraft going from 32K to 43K feet and back down to 23K, something just doesn't add up. I am not a pilot but I'm an avid aviation enthusiast. For you pilots, how long do you think will it take a B777 to go from 32K feet to 43K feet, if it did just that. If the plane was in autopilot can it do that? If there was a struggle in the cockpit, one of the attackers must have been in full control undisturbed for it to go into that type of maneuver. But then how reliable was the radar information that this maneuver actually took place. I'm almost sure that this tragic incident was not the cause of a mechanical failure or sudden explosion. Assuming that it was a hi-jack or terrorist attack, the perpetrators must have been extremely savvy in the inner workings of the aircraft, and there must have been several attackers, perhaps 3 or 4. It's also odd that there were no outgoing communications at all either from the crew, the passengers nor the aircraft itself other than the one from the engines that was thought to be running for five hours since last report. Also if terrorism is a suspect, were there any efforts by authorities to contact relatives and/or friends of the passengers and crew for possible association with the terrorists. Mine is also speculation but I strongly suspect that the plane was flown intact to a specific designation in an orderly deliberate manner for political reason. I hope I am right.

[expat]

Over a week now all I've heard from aviation and security experts are speculations. But the latest new info regarding the roller coaster ride of the aircraft going from 32K to 43K feet and back down to 23K, something just doesn't add up. I am not a pilot but I'm an avid aviation enthusiast. For you pilots, how long do you think will it take a B777 to go from 32K feet to 43K feet, if it did just that. If the plane was in autopilot can it do that? If there was a struggle in the cockpit, one of the attackers must have been in full control undisturbed for it to go into that type of maneuver. But then how reliable was the radar information that this maneuver actually took place. I'm almost sure that this tragic incident was not the cause of a mechanical failure or sudden explosion. Assuming that it was a hi-jack or terrorist attack, the perpetrators must have been extremely savvy in the inner workings of the aircraft, and there must have been several attackers, perhaps 3 or 4. It's also odd that there were no outgoing communications at all either from the crew, the passengers nor the aircraft itself other than the one from the engines that was thought to be running for five hours since last report. Also if terrorism is a suspect, were there any efforts by authorities to contact relatives and/or friends of the passengers and crew for possible association with the terrorists. Mine is also speculation but I strongly suspect that the plane was flown intact to a specific designation in an orderly deliberate manner for political reason. I hope I am right.

It would not take long at all and is well within the capabilities of the autopilot. Standard rate of climb/descent is not less than 500fpm except the last 1000ft at 500fpm. Around 1000 to 1800 feet per minute up or down.

As for a terrorist access to the cockpit, if it was locked, how did they get in? It could be argued, they got the access code from the crew, but there is a delay before the door is opened and it can be overridden by the crew electrically and with manual dead bolts on the door. Once those are shot, you will not gain access. Add to that the cockpit door surveillance cameras that are running to check who wants access and something does not add up here at all.


Matt

[BLAZE]

Providing there ain't no government coverups over there, they will just find her at the bottom of the ocean or sea
or what ever that is over there. No bombs, No hijacking, just mechanical failure!

Nice thing being, they would be able to finally lay their loved ones to rest.

[expat]

It does not matter why the aircraft has done what it has done, this is the Internet so people will be spouting their beliefs and theories for a 1000 years to come

Matt

[C]

I see the Malaysian military, particularly the Air Force, are now taking a kicking...

"So Lt, you tracked an object flying at several hundred kts, above 40,000' on your scope, and considered it perfectly normal?" Very lax if true.

Sadly, if it's in the Indian ocean, it may never be found. At least with the AF A330 they knew roughly where it would be.

[Bass]

It does not matter why the aircraft has done what it has done, this is the Internet so people will be spouting their beliefs and theories for a 1000 years to come

Matt

I think it does matter, Matt! For all of us and those who have lost.

[G.K.]

Humans are curious animals, they want to know what's happened. They will speculate and use their imagination to work out what happened, particularly if it may involve them in the future.....We all fly on the way to our Hols or for business.

Speculating is perfectly normal and quite often helpful.......but it does pay to remind ourselves every now and then that it is only speculation and not reality.

I see the most popular download on this site is now the Malaysian 777, again, perfectly normal. It is not a sign of morbidity, insensitivity or ghoulishness......It is a sign of well motivated curiosity.

[expat]

I see the Malaysian military, particularly the Air Force, are now taking a kicking...

"So Lt, you tracked an object flying at several hundred kts, above 40,000' on your scope, and considered it perfectly normal?" Very lax if true.

Sadly, if it's in the Indian ocean, it may never be found. At least with the AF A330 they knew roughly where it would be.

The first thing I asked myself when the Malaysian Air Force mentioned this........Some very low level officer will have to fall on his sword, followed b a senior one a week or so later.....

Matt

[expat]

It does not matter why the aircraft has done what it has done, this is the Internet so people will be spouting their beliefs and theories for a 1000 years to come

Matt

I think it does matter, Matt! For all of us and those who have lost.

Sorry badly worded. I meant that no matter what final reason is given at the very end of the investigation, it will not satisfy large sections Internet. They will be convinced of their own theory as there has been so much misinformation from the start.

Matt

[logjam]

Hate to tell you this, but Malasia is relying on old cold war radar until their new stuff is up and running. Type 84 radar has a range of only 200Miles and their height finder (Noddy) is grossly inaccurate. They also have another type 82 radar somewhere, but it's no better. Can't really blame the radar ops. Blame the system. They are keenly aware of the need to defend their airspace from Indonesia, but a spurious paint crossing their own territory might not have sent warning bells ringing.

[Jetranger]

Missing Jetliner:

No debris field

No Passengers

No Plane

No wreckage

Nothing

But, 1 of the Pilots had a full fledged Flight Simulator, fairly nice set up, had a Saitek Digital Flight yoke anyway and some nice cockpit instruments,,

Investigators are searching the Oceans.

Remote areas,, known geographically for hundreds of years

I'll add my 2 cents to all the massive Speculation and illusions & Fantasies - but - what if I'm right

its NOT impossible, to do, it could be done and certain ancient tribes used to sacrifice people at these things

Yup - right down into & thru the TOP of 1 of these things , no wonder nobody can find anything , not even a tiny fragment to be found, its all melted.

Pilot may have flown Jetliner into the top of the Volcano INSIDE the Volcano Entered thru the top of the Eruption Hole.

[U4EA]

My curiosity is rather piqued by the fact that an experienced airline pilot has quite the sophisticated flight sim at home. After pondering that for a spell, I got to thinking that a sophisticated sim would allow unlimited practice for what an experienced pilot can't do in a real bird.

Like perchance low level nightime flying over open ocean? For long distance? Disabling key componets relative to radios and transponders?

Things that make me scritch my goatee and say 'hmmmmm'.

ESPECIALLY, the (alleged?) satellite ping reported that (allegedly) 7+ hours after takeoff there was a brief "hit".......maybe someone reset the wrong breaker or bumped a swith inadvertently?

Inquiring minds wanna know!

[Bass]

It does not matter why the aircraft has done what it has done, this is the Internet so people will be spouting their beliefs and theories for a 1000 years to come

Matt

I think it does matter, Matt! For all of us and those who have lost.

Sorry badly worded. I meant that no matter what final reason is given at the very end of the investigation, it will not satisfy large sections Internet. They will be convinced of their own theory as there has been so much misinformation from the start.

Matt

Thank you for clearing, Matt.
Now, i agree with you....... again.