Plane crash in greece...

[krylite]

Just looks suspicious to me. 2c. A horrible way to go if many aboard were conscious.

[Sytse]

Only text message received: The pilot looks blue (from cold) goodbye, cousin.
So the guy saw the pilot. That explains that he was not in the cockpit.
Only pilot seen in cockpit was the FO. He was lying over his contolls.
As for the black boxes. I don't think he cockpit voice recorder wil be a great help, since it only records the last 30 minutes of flight. I think they all passed out long before that.
These are all facts. No speculation.

[Nexus]

What if the Oxygen masks failed to deliver oxygen?
AP disconnects because of forward force is applied to the control column by the unconciousness pilot, hence putting the 737 in a shallow descent.

I have read everything I have on the 737 pressurization and air condition systems, and all I can say is that I cant for the life of me understand how this tragic event was initialized. You'd have lotsa bells and alarms ringing if pressure is lost.

will be VERY interesting to see what the CVR reveals.

[Saitek]

This is really worth a read. Read the write-ins at the bottom.
I found this one of interest (she lives where my Aunty lives btw)

In 1987 a (Monarch Airlines) 737 I was on (bound for Chania in Crete) lost cabin pressure/underwent sudden and total decompression somewhere over (mountainous) north Greece, and (to cut a longer story short) after a terrifying 'rapid descent' of about 30,000ft made an emergency landing at Athens airport. We passengers didn't know what was going on at the time - I for one thought we had all had our chips. This news made me wonder whether the 737 in question was the same one I was on all those years ago (surely they don't keep them in service that long?), or whether 737s have a particular problem with the mechanics of pressurisation. It also made me realise that my fears (and others) on that 737 bound for Crete were well-founded.
Eileen Hunt, Abingdon, Oxfordshire

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe ... tm#graphic

[C]

Oh dear, not Joe/Joan public all becoming aviation safety experts again. She should be quite happy that they made an emergency descent - and the last thing on the pilot's mind on that flight would have been making the ride comfortable for the passengers. Obviously she never went to her infant school hypoxia lessons...

[Saitek]

Lol - but you are missing the point! j/k

That aside the 737 was brought out about 20 years ago I think which isn't so long ago.

[Whitey]

I just learned that one of the footballers of the team my team (Glasgow Rangers) are playing in the Champions League Qualifiers lost his brother and sister-in-law and the children on the flight...apparently a lot of people in Cyprus know someone who's dead... ...that little story brings it to earth for me anyway.

[Hagar]

Not sure I get the point Ben. Monarch Airlines was

[Ex-RoNiN]

I just learned that one of the footballers of the team my team (Glasgow Rangers) are playing in the Champions League Qualifiers lost his brother and sister-in-law and the children on the flight...apparently a lot of people in Cyprus know someone who's dead... ...that little story brings it to earth for me anyway.

Terrible

Unfortunately, with Cyprus being so small and such a huge accident happening its not about "did I know someone on that flight" but more like "who did I know on that flight?"

I think the lad should be given a round of applause if he turns out at Ibrox...would take a lot of courage after such a traumatising event

[Whitey]

There's talk of a minute's silence before the match.  I hope that happens.  :'(

[Ex-RoNiN]

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/ne ... 26740.html

In regards to Nikolaou's family members.

[Ex-RoNiN]

Fake pictures are starting to appear >:(

http://www.dunningmarketing.com/helios_photos.htm

Apparently these were leaked by the Greek airforce, taken a few minutes before the Helios airliner went down.

Obviously, they are fake. The dead giveaway are the double emergency doors above the wing, that's a feature of a 737-800, the 737-300 (suchas the one that crashed) has single doors above the wings.

Furthermore, in the first pic you can see how the Y at the end of the registration was photoshopped, it looks totally different than the other letters.

Finally, the Helios jet was intercepted by F-16s from Crete - which are Block 52. Yet the picture shows Block 50 F-16s.

These pics are of a 737-800 that was intercepted by Greek F-16 Block 50 - it is not Sunday's flight.


Why would anyone fake such pictures?

[Nexus]

It's an -800 allright. But double emergency doors are also found on the -400.

However, those are double slotted flaps on those pics. The NG series have double slotted flaps, whereas the Classics (300/400/500) sports triple slotted. Also the pitot statics corresponds to the position of an NG.

[Saitek]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4172740.stm

More info. That is interesting - lack of fuel? Seems rather an unusual problem - hardly as if it was a really long flight.

Sad that a flight attendant tried to take over...  makes our recent thread in the General forum seem rather arrogant in a way.

[Hagar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4172740.stm

More info. That is interesting - lack of fuel? Seems rather an unusual problem - hardly as if it was a really long flight.

I think this is confirmation of what most of us assumed. With everyone on board unconcious from lack of oxygen the aircraft continued flying on autopilot until the fuel ran out. A similar incident happened in the US some years ago. As usual, the media "experts" cannot get their heads round that.

[quote]Sad that a flight attendant tried to take over...