pondering

[Saratoga]

I knew there was some sort of horsepower limit.

I've read somewhere what the requirements were. And it's on my license, so I should know. I even pulled out my Student Pilot's Flight Manual (hey it helps in the airline business), nothing in there about it.

[beaky]

LOL. I've seen people sit on them then jump up screaming, kinda funny, I have to turn my back and laugh at them.

Also there are the really smooth people who slide into them and "trip" and fall into the window or side of the aircraft.

Hehe... have you ever actually seen a "large" passenger use two seats?  

[Mobius]

From FAR/AIM 2003, FAR 61-12, 61.31, (e), Additional training required for operating complex airplanes.: (1) ...no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller...), unless the person has-
               (i)  Recieved and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane...
               (ii) Recieved a one-time endorsment in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is
                  proficient to operate a complex airplane.

(2)    The training and endorsment required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as PIC of a complex airplane...prior to August 4, 1997.


61.31 (f)   Same mumbo-jumbo about high-performance airplanes which are defined as and airplane w/ an engine of more than 200 horsepower.



So to fly an airplane w/ an adjustable pitch prop, gear, and flaps you would need a complex rating and if that, or any other airplane you intend to fly has over 200 horsepower, you would need a high-performance aircraft rating.  So, I guess we were all partially right

[chomp_rock]

Wow, I did all of that reading for nothing!

I'm glad to see someone cleared this up for people, I was going to quote the bible (FAR/AIM book to all of you non-pilots) word for word to explain it

[beaky]

From FAR/AIM 2003, FAR 61-12, 61.31, (e), Additional training required for operating complex airplanes.: (1) ...no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller...), unless the person has-
               (i)  Recieved and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane...
               (ii) Recieved a one-time endorsment in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is
                  proficient to operate a complex airplane.

(2)    The training and endorsment required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as PIC of a complex airplane...prior to August 4, 1997.


61.31 (f)   Same mumbo-jumbo about high-performance airplanes which are defined as and airplane w/ an engine of more than 200 horsepower.



So to fly an airplane w/ an adjustable pitch prop, gear, and flaps you would need a complex rating and if that, or any other airplane you intend to fly has over 200 horsepower, you would need a high-performance aircraft rating.  So, I guess we were all partially right

Yeah, but it's not a "rating" as defined by FAR/AIM; it's an "endorsement".

[Mobius]

Same thing kinda .  You need to take lessons for it then have some qualified person tell you you can do it on your own.  Rating, Endorsment, whatever you want to call it, fine by me.

[beaky]

I just look for the FAA's words to describe the FAA's laws...

[Rocket_Bird]

Hmm, heres the wording "an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, AND a controllable pitch propeller"

I would assume that you need all 3 in order to classify as a complex aircraft otherwise it would be an or instead of an and... whew!!!  ;D

[Saratoga]

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Hehe... have you ever actually seen a "large" passenger use two seats?