Missing Airliner

[expat]

For any of you current or ex pilots especially those who have flown the B777. What does it take for a B777 at cruising altitude of 32K feet ascend to 43K feet. How long will it take to reach that altitude and what is likely to happen once the aircraft reaches that altitude.

Over a week now all I've heard from aviation and security experts are speculations. But the latest new info regarding the roller coaster ride of the aircraft going from 32K to 43K feet and back down to 23K, something just doesn't add up. I am not a pilot but I'm an avid aviation enthusiast. For you pilots, how long do you think will it take a B777 to go from 32K feet to 43K feet, if it did just that. If the plane was in autopilot can it do that? If there was a struggle in the cockpit, one of the attackers must have been in full control undisturbed for it to go into that type of maneuver. But then how reliable was the radar information that this maneuver actually took place. I'm almost sure that this tragic incident was not the cause of a mechanical failure or sudden explosion. Assuming that it was a hi-jack or terrorist attack, the perpetrators must have been extremely savvy in the inner workings of the aircraft, and there must have been several attackers, perhaps 3 or 4. It's also odd that there were no outgoing communications at all either from the crew, the passengers nor the aircraft itself other than the one from the engines that was thought to be running for five hours since last report. Also if terrorism is a suspect, were there any efforts by authorities to contact relatives and/or friends of the passengers and crew for possible association with the terrorists. Mine is also speculation but I strongly suspect that the plane was flown intact to a specific designation in an orderly deliberate manner for political reason. I hope I am right.

It would not take long at all and is well within the capabilities of the autopilot. Standard rate of climb/descent is not less than 500fpm except the last 1000ft at 500fpm. Around 1000 to 1800 feet per minute up or down.

As for a terrorist access to the cockpit, if it was locked, how did they get in? It could be argued, they got the access code from the crew, but there is a delay before the door is opened and it can be overridden by the crew electrically and with manual dead bolts on the door. Once those are shot, you will not gain access. Add to that the cockpit door surveillance cameras that are running to check who wants access and something does not add up here at all.


Matt

I already answered this......

Matt

[logjam]

Just got the report from Straits Times that the Malaysian CEO has admitted to there being a shipment of Lithium Ion batteries in the hold. After days of denying it.

"The confirmation by Ahmad Jauhari (pictured) comes days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after MH370 went missing. His admission at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur has re-ignited speculation that a fire may be behind its disappearance. Billie Vincent, the former head of security for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, said it re-affirmed his belief that flames started in the cargo hold, destroying the aircraft's communication systems then filling the cabin with toxic fumes. Lithium-ion batteries like the one pictured (which is not connected to the MH370 flight) have caused dozens of mid-air incidents over the last 20 years and fires ignited by them have even brought planes down."

[Bubblehead]

Lithium batteries in open circuit with no load are not likely to catch fire, possible but highly improbable. I've listened to all the aviation so called experts and of all I have not heard of any group that are sync with their information. Of course the media seemed to be asking stupid questions to keep the news sensational and on the air. The possibilities are endless including perhaps the will of god. For example I've been playing the MS flight simulator ever since FS98. one of the routes in my flight plan was a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. And I've deleted many flight plans. For the love of Mike I'm still trying to figure out how I can execute something along the line of the many possibilities in the Malaysian mystery flight. What reason did the FBI have in taking the flight simulator all the way to Quantico. Anyone in the Simviation Forum could have told them what they need to know. Why don't these so called experts simply state that they don't know unless the media pays them good money for their inputs. Their professional guess work just complicates the investigation. I think that perhaps some groups involved in the investigation don't want this mystery to get solved. I still hope that they'll find the aircraft somewhere with all passengers and crew safe. I said I hope.

[logjam]

By Associated Press
Posted Oct. 8, 2010 at 1:00 p.m.


U.S. aviation officials are warning air carriers that new research shows lithium batteries are sensitive to heat and can ignite in-flight if transported in cargo compartments that get too hot.

The Federal Aviation Administration also acknowledged publicly for the first time Friday that a United Parcel Service 747-400 plane that crashed in Dubai last month killing both pilots was carrying a large quantity of lithium batteries.

Since the early 1990s, there have been dozens of incidents of batteries igniting in flight. But it has not been known what triggered many of the fires.

FAA now says recent research has identified heat as the trigger and is offering air carriers advice on how to reduce the risk of fire.

October 8, 2010
Contact: FAA Office of Communications
Phone: 202-267-3883



WASHINGTON–The Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today alerted operators to results of new research on the risks associated with transporting lithium batteries as cargo on aircraft and recommended actions air carriers can take to reduce those risks.

In a Safety Alert for Operators (SAFO), the FAA summarized recent research which shows that lithium metal (non-rechargeable) and lithium-ion (rechargeable) batteries are highly flammable and capable of igniting during air transport under certain circumstances. The research also indicates that Halon 1301, the suppression agent found in Class C cargo compartments, is ineffective in suppressing lithium metal battery fires.

The SAFO also lays out additional recommended procedures air carriers can institute when transporting lithium batteries.

Excerpt from the FAA SAFO: We note as well that United Parcel Service Flight 006 crashed in the United Arab Emirates on September 3, 2010. Investigation of the crash is still underway, and the cause of the crash has not been determined. We are aware, however, that the plane’s cargo did include large quantities of lithium batteries and believe it prudent to advise operators of that fact.

[Bubblehead]

I better get rid of my hybrid car and my cordless power tools all powered by Lithium Ion batteries.

[pegger]

I better get rid of my hybrid car and my cordless power tools all powered by Lithium Ion batteries.

Yeah...wouldn't want your cordless drill to be the reason for a fire onboard an airliner....good grief....

[Jetranger]

MISSING JETLINER FOUND !!!

Breaking News !!!!

Yup ~ its been found, matter of Factly, it was located out of the water, and right here on Simiviation,,,

photos tell the Truth, no bs.

and all this time we thought it was in the sea, Naw, it was right here hiding on Simiviation the entire time !!

It flew thru a Shrink Hole and shrunk in Size as it flew thru the Shrink Warp Hole.

O'tay, call of de' search, we found it right here on Simivation, right under our own noses, who'd of thought

[Bubblehead]

Jetranger:

Your assessment makes more sense than any that had been brought up thus far. They should invite you as a guest in one of the morning TV News shows.

[Bass]

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... MH370.html

[C]

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... MH370.html

I read that yesterday and immediately thought it was a little odd to say the least, with very little adherence to standard radio phraseology (carrier pigeon English at best)... then I read the note:

Transcript based on Mandarin translation of English language transcript. Some wording may not be exact

So a Chinese media translation of the English language ATC recording, re-translated into English for the western press. As useful as a chocolate teapot. IE, pointless. Just as pointless as the Lithium battery speculation.

[Jetranger]

I've already been invited to be on the Dinah Shore Show and after that the Mike Douglas Show, and the Dick Cavett Show.

I'll be making the rounds on TV

I'm gonna be on the Dinah Shore Show , man !!!

of course those under 30 won't have a clue who these people are,,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geeChUU9mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkodbPM8R-c

[logjam]

Can I get your autograph?

[Bass]

The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... MH370.html

I read that yesterday and immediately thought it was a little odd to say the least, with very little adherence to standard radio phraseology (carrier pigeon English at best)... then I read the note:

Transcript based on Mandarin translation of English language transcript. Some wording may not be exact

So a Chinese media translation of the English language ATC recording, re-translated into English for the western press. As useful as a chocolate teapot. IE, pointless. Just as pointless as the Lithium battery speculation.

Yes, i agree C.
The question remains, WHAT IS GOING ON?!

[RAMPRAT]

This is just a thought, and a wild idea at that, but is it possible that someone somewhere remotely took over this flight by hacking into the flight computer and then flying it so far off course that they might never find it. Just a thought.

[Jetranger]

Disappeared for 6 Hours and they couldn't make contact !!!

just sayin' I mean what if ?

just because we don't know, and haven't ever had it happen to our knowledge, doesn't mean ????

Spooky - Wooky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rupZ1BLrV9c