Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Real aviation things here. News, items of interest, information, questions, etc!

Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Fozzer » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:33 pm

Hi Aviators and Mechanics... 8)...!

One of the commonest worry of pilots, when flying over remote mountains and large expanses of water, is the never-ending fear of engine failure.

Bearing in mind the simplicity of Lycoming/Continental flat 4, normally aspirated, (carburettor), piston engines with fixed pitch props, does anyone have a list, in order of occurrence and severity, the causes of failure in this type of engine whilst in the air?

Magneto failure and carburettor icing would be typical examples.

(This type of engine would be fitted to a Cessna 150/152/172).

Many thanks... ;D....!

Paul.
Win 8.1 64-bit. DX11. Advent Tower. Intel i7-3770 3.9 GHz 8-core. 8 GB System RAM. AMD Radeon HD 7700 1GB RAM. DVD ROM. 2 Terra Byte SATA Hard Drive. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Saitek Cyborg X Fly-5 Joystick. ...and a Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower.
User avatar
Fozzer
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 27361
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:11 pm
Location: Hereford. England. EGBS.

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Felix/FFDS » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:27 pm

collision with another airplane?
Felix/FFDS
User avatar
Felix/FFDS
Administrator
Administrator
 
Posts: 16776435
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:42 am
Location: Orlando, FL

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:36 pm

Fuel starvation?
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!

Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains c
User avatar
Woodlouse2002
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 10369
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2002 3:51 pm
Location: Cornwall, England

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Craig. » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:38 pm

putting beer in the tanks?
User avatar
Craig.
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 15569
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2002 10:04 am
Location: Birmingham

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:58 pm

I shouldn't think that putting sugar in the tanks would speed things up much either. :P
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!

Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains c
User avatar
Woodlouse2002
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 10369
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2002 3:51 pm
Location: Cornwall, England

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Fozzer » Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:29 pm

...It's obvious I'm not going to get any sense out of you flippin' lot, am I.... ;D...?

LOL...LOL...LOL...!

Cheers all..!

Paul.

...did I expect otherwise... ::)...?

LOL... ;D...!
Win 8.1 64-bit. DX11. Advent Tower. Intel i7-3770 3.9 GHz 8-core. 8 GB System RAM. AMD Radeon HD 7700 1GB RAM. DVD ROM. 2 Terra Byte SATA Hard Drive. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Saitek Cyborg X Fly-5 Joystick. ...and a Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower.
User avatar
Fozzer
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 27361
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:11 pm
Location: Hereford. England. EGBS.

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby xFLAMESx » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:06 pm

Hey Paul, just spotted the post.
For serious answers - hope this helps:

Engine Failure Statistics

2 percent are internal failures sometimes detectable by oil analysis

2 percent are oil problems related to pumps, filters or lines.

3 percent are induction problems related to hoses, clogging or alternate air doors

5 percent are spark problems related to spark plugs, magnetos, wiring harness, or switches.

6 percent are related to poor maintenance

7 percent are due to cylinder/valve problems due to improper leaning

8 percent are fuel related problems of selectors, carburetors, primers, or pumps.

8 percent are carburetor ice related where application of heat occurs too late to be effective.

11 percent are from contaminated fuel

20 percent are from starvation, exhaustion or other failure to deliver problems.

28 percent of engine failures are for unknown reasons where fuel, air or spark are responsible.

Pilots are in the main most likely to be responsible for an engine failure.

Engine component failure accidents:

1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental
2. Engine size has no effect of frequency of failure
3. 43% mechanical
4. 1 in 5 accidents during cruise. Cruise flight accidents due to weather and fuel.
5. 1 in 3 engine/prop
6. 1 in 4 due to gear or brakes
7. 1 in 6 due to fuel
Fuel exhaustion is most common factor.
8. 18% of engine type accidents caused by engine failure unrelated to pilot induced failure.
9. 1.296 per 100,000 flight hours
10. Pneumatic system is 1:40,000 IFR flight plans filed.
11. 25% of all accident occur after partial or total loss of engine power.
12. When planes switched from piston-powered engines to jet engines in the 1960s, they immediately became more reliable by a factor of 10.

Other reasons: UFO attack ???
Flying into restricted airspace (Military patrolled)

[glb]Thanx. Carl[/glb]
Honours :
Freeware Screenshot Competition Winner, June 2009
User avatar
xFLAMESx
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1595
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:35 pm
Location: Torquay, England

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Fozzer » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:18 pm

Hi Carl... ;D...!
Thanks Mate. That's EXACTLY what I was looking for.
I have saved your text for reference.
Seriously useful information.... ;)...!
Thanks again Mate... 8)...!

Cheers... ;D...!

Paul.

P.S. ...1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental

....This is what I have been told by owners of Cessna 150's fitted with Rolls Royce Continental engines. They claim their engines are assembled with more care and precision, and are more reliable.... ;)...!
Last edited by Fozzer on Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Win 8.1 64-bit. DX11. Advent Tower. Intel i7-3770 3.9 GHz 8-core. 8 GB System RAM. AMD Radeon HD 7700 1GB RAM. DVD ROM. 2 Terra Byte SATA Hard Drive. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Saitek Cyborg X Fly-5 Joystick. ...and a Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower.
User avatar
Fozzer
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 27361
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:11 pm
Location: Hereford. England. EGBS.

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby xFLAMESx » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:22 pm

No worries mate glad to help the aged ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
11 percent are from contaminated fuel

That's actually a worryingly large amount :o
Once again glad to be of service.

[glb]Thanx. Carl[/glb]
Honours :
Freeware Screenshot Competition Winner, June 2009
User avatar
xFLAMESx
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1595
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:35 pm
Location: Torquay, England

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Fozzer » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:36 pm

No worries mate glad to help the aged ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P

[glb]Thanx. Carl[/glb]


Cheeky... ;)...!

I'll get my sister from St Olafs Road, Fulham, to pop round to sort you out.. >:(.....(In the nicest possible way).... ;).... :P...!
LOL...!

Cheers Mate... ;D...!

Paul
Win 8.1 64-bit. DX11. Advent Tower. Intel i7-3770 3.9 GHz 8-core. 8 GB System RAM. AMD Radeon HD 7700 1GB RAM. DVD ROM. 2 Terra Byte SATA Hard Drive. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Saitek Cyborg X Fly-5 Joystick. ...and a Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower.
User avatar
Fozzer
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 27361
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:11 pm
Location: Hereford. England. EGBS.

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby xFLAMESx » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:53 pm

LOL! is she anywhere near as OLD as you? LOL :P :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[glb]Thanx. Carl[/glb]
Honours :
Freeware Screenshot Competition Winner, June 2009
User avatar
xFLAMESx
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1595
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:35 pm
Location: Torquay, England

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Iroquois » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:24 pm

putting beer in the tanks?


Actually that might help it. Depends where it's from though. If it's American beer it won't run too well. If it's Canadian beer it will go like snot. If it's Russian vodka, we're looking at an airspeed record.  ;D
[center]I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday. ;)
The Rig:
AMD Athlon XP2000+ Palomino, ECS K7S5A 3.1, 1GB PC2700 DDR, Geforce FX5200 128mb, SB Live P
User avatar
Iroquois
Major
Major
 
Posts: 2704
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:03 pm
Location: Ontario Canada

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Hagar » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:47 am

P.S. ...1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental

....This is what I have been told by owners of Cessna 150's fitted with Rolls Royce Continental engines. They claim their engines are assembled with more care and precision, and are more reliable.... ;)...!

Paul. I'm not sure that Rolls-Royce Continental engines are fitted to Cessnas or other US-built aircraft. Rolls-Royce reluctantly built these engines under licence so they could be fitted in British-built aircraft for use with the RAF, specifically the Beagle Basset & Bulldog. They're likely to be more expensive than the original US-manufactured examples.

I think the most common cause of failure with any petrol (gasoline) engine is fuel contamination. Water caused by condensation when the aircraft is left standing for any length of time with low fuel tanks is the usual culprit. It's most important that this is drained off regularly & particularly before the aircraft is flown. This is part of the DI schedule & usually carried out every morning on club & flying school aircraft.
Last edited by Hagar on Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
Image

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group
My Google Photos albums
My Flickr albums
User avatar
Hagar
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 30864
Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:15 am
Location: Costa Geriatrica

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Bazza » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:02 am

What on earth are you up to Fozzer  -  I hope you're not writing your memoirs.........? ???
Bazza
 

Re: Ooops!...Me flippin' engine's stopped...!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:30 am

I should think fuel problems are the most common reason for the engine stopping. Whether it's water in the tanks, dirt in the fuel line, an airlock or some other sort of contamination.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!

Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains c
User avatar
Woodlouse2002
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 10369
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2002 3:51 pm
Location: Cornwall, England

Next

Return to Real Aviation

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 397 guests