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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Fitter » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:55 am

Sad...I knew "Lina Barbosa Cassol" one of the passengers...in my school days...Her family is from my mothers city as well...
And some of the Braskem and Ipiranga petrochemical group were in the site I work in the day of the traggedy...
My condolences to the passengers and crew's families...
:-[ :-/ :-[ :'(
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby murjax » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:31 pm

This looks like one that will get itself on "Seconds From Disaster" in about a year or so. It is such a shame when these things happen though.  :(
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Xyn_Air » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:45 am

I just read that the right thrust reverser had been deactivated and left off some days prior to the accident for maintenance reasons.  Furthermore, the article stated that it was normal and acceptable for aircraft to be flown with reversers deactivated for a certain period of time.  Is that really the case?  I would think you would want a fully operational aircraft, especially in regards to those systems that influenec take off and landing. (the article I am referring to is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6907704.stm)

That being said, having watched the CCTV video, it did appear the aircraft was traveling at much too high a velocity.  Even with said reverser activated, I am not sure they would have been able to stop.

Well, this would not be the first time an airport has been closed/moved due to safety concerns.  If Congohas is closed and moved to a safer location, it would have a worthy predecessor in Kai Tak.  Some articles have mentioned that there is resistance to closing down Congohas because of its present economic importance to both Sao Paulo in specific and Brazil in general.  Still, looking at the record of runway incidents, I think safety must be of paramount importance in deciding Congohas' fate at this point.  Also, a new airport could bring a positively offsetting economic gain for the local economy in the jobs it would provide.  Furthermore, a wisely chosen location for a new airport could bring greater capacity and services (and thus better service the sectors of the economy tied to aviation) over the long run.
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Nexus » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:35 am

Blame the pavement.
I have a friend (acquaintance more likely) who flies for TAM and he was just a dozens of meters from skidding off same runway the day earlier.
His aircraft wasn't nearly as full as the one involved, hence he was able to stop in time...
According to him, the contracted company who overhauled the runway usually paves regular streets
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby murjax » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:11 am

This doesn't help.
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Nexus » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:45 am

TAM has had a boat load of problems with their F100's, while their Airbus operations has been up to par with any other carrier.
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Fitter » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:38 pm

TAM has had a boat load of problems with their F100's, while their Airbus operations has been up to par with any other carrier.

Nexus, I think Murjax is right...Im Brasilian and everething fits right in the comment of murjax link...
Varig was the only great Brasilian airline...in my oppinion... :-?
International Level...and could be compared with Britsh airways or Lufthansa...in Varig's golden age...
unfortunately Varig star is in the same link...but have nothing about with the worst airline in the world subject 8-)
but that link does't help indeed :-/
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Nexus » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:26 pm

TAM has had a boat load of problems with their F100's, while their Airbus operations has been up to par with any other carrier.

Nexus, I think Murjax is right...Im Brasilian and everething fits right in the comment of murjax link...
Varig was the only great Brasilian airline...in my oppinion... :-?
International Level...and could be compared with Britsh airways or Lufthansa...in Varig's golden age...
unfortunately Varig star is in the same link...but have nothing about with the worst airline in the world subject 8-)
but that link does't help indeed :-/



There is nothing wrong with their Airbus operations. That article is using TAM's poor safety record with the F-100 on most part.

Here is their Fokker 100 record
"In 1996, a problem in a thrust reverser caused TAM Flight 402 to crash in S
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Fitter » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:05 am

TAM has had a boat load of problems with their F100's, while their Airbus operations has been up to par with any other carrier.

Nexus, I think Murjax is right...Im Brasilian and everething fits right in the comment of murjax link...
Varig was the only great Brasilian airline...in my oppinion... :-?
International Level...and could be compared with Britsh airways or Lufthansa...in Varig's golden age...
unfortunately Varig star is in the same link...but have nothing about with the worst airline in the world subject 8-)
but that link does't help indeed :-/



There is nothing wrong with their Airbus operations. That article is using TAM's poor safety record with the F-100 on most part.

Here is their Fokker 100 record
"In 1996, a problem in a thrust reverser caused TAM Flight 402 to crash in S
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Nexus » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:17 am

TAM has had a boat load of problems with their F100's, while their Airbus operations has been up to par with any other carrier.

Nexus, I think Murjax is right...Im Brasilian and everething fits right in the comment of murjax link...
Varig was the only great Brasilian airline...in my oppinion... :-?
International Level...and could be compared with Britsh airways or Lufthansa...in Varig's golden age...
unfortunately Varig star is in the same link...but have nothing about with the worst airline in the world subject 8-)
but that link does't help indeed :-/



There is nothing wrong with their Airbus operations. That article is using TAM's poor safety record with the F-100 on most part.

Here is their Fokker 100 record
"In 1996, a problem in a thrust reverser caused TAM Flight 402 to crash in S
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Re: Plane Crash

Postby Bubblehead » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:10 pm

Sad day for aviation. Sad day for those who perished. From the news here in San Diego CAlif., it said that one of the thrust reverser was inoperative and the crew knew about this. There were just so many things going against a safe landing, the weather of course, the short runway, the inoperative thrust reverser and I don't know about the decision and reaction of the pilot under adverse circumstances.

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