This is Quite Alarming !! Boeing 737NG

[Jetranger]

Well, I never heard about all this , this is Quite Alarming actually.

I think everybody who's flown the last 10 years should watch this entire Video !

I'm quite shocked actually by what I'm hearing.

Have you flown on a Boeing 737NG ?

after watching this, you may think twice !

Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlw7BsKCY4

Also this just showed up on a Major News network a few minutes ago = http://www.nbcnews.com/business/faa-wants-inspections-not-removal-787-emergency-beacons-6C10680001?g1=43001

[wifesaysno]

Boeing has been doing some bad things for a few years now. Im sure Bill Boeing would be livid if he was alive today to see what his company has become.

[Jetranger]

Ya, as a former Whistle Blower myself back in the 1990's, on huge Govt. Fraud, I'm always amazed how information can get Surpressed from the News Media.

usually that comes in the form of Threats, intimidation, or pay offs under the table to certain individuals to keep things quiet.

As was with my case apparently up into the Higher Anarchy of a branch of the US Govt.

it only involved hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars and the US Postal service, and now, their Broke and almost insolvent - well go figure !! Duhhhhhh !!!

Then I think back to 1974 and the Kerr McGee case in Oklahoma and Karen Silkwood

or how about the PG&E / Hinkley case and Erin Brockovich !

Or Jeffery Wingard and RJR Tobacco and his 60 minutes interview !

[Speed of flight]

Ok, I must preface my comment with a disclaimer. Please read this with the same unbiased objectivity as it was written with:
I work for an American-based aircraft manufacturers part 145 repair station. I can tell you that quality goes into every part made for an aircraft. An FAA PMA is hard to get and maintain.
I'm sure their Engineering department found this manufacturing technique acceptable in a case where a machine may be "down for repair", or otherwise unable to make acceptable parts, for whatever reason.
If these parts were sub-standard, or in some other way not as good, they still must have been found to be "airworthy", or they would not have made it on to an airplane. That is a fact. Boeing, an airline, anybody, would not want to bear responsibility for the deaths of 150+ people due to inadequate manufacturing quality assurance or neglected maintenance.

Things to consider:
1. The people "blowing the whistle" no longer work for Boeing.
2. There are literally thousands of these aircraft in service, with few recorded incidents.
3. The English accent lends questions of credibility to those with something to gain by smearing a competing aircraft manufacturing country.

Not trying to stir the pot, merely suggesting that questions be asked of the motive to publish this story, consider the source, and equally regard the safety record of Boeing as a company. There's a good reason that the world trusts their products.

[expat]

I was watching this with interest as a licensed 737NG engineer, but then the program blew it for me with blatant factual inaccuracies about several crashes. For example the Turkish 737NG that they say overshot the runway, crashed on approach because the crew did not monitor airspeed and engine power settings. It crashed a couple of miles short of the runway. After that, I turned it off. This program deteriorated into sensational BS designed for the consumption of the tabloid reader.

Matt

[c130lover]

Sounds like a bit like the folks at Scarebus got jealous of Boeing's masterpiece to me. I looked up some of the accident data (NTSB or equivalent) and the documentary's version deviated.

[expat]

If these parts were sub-standard, or in some other way not as good, they still must have been found to be "airworthy", or they would not have made it on to an airplane. That is a fact. Boeing, an airline, anybody, would not want to bear responsibility for the deaths of 150+ people due to inadequate manufacturing quality assurance or neglected maintenance.

Things to consider:
1. The people "blowing the whistle" no longer work for Boeing.
2. There are literally thousands of these aircraft in service, with few recorded incidents.
3. The English accent lends questions of credibility to those with something to gain by smearing a competing aircraft manufacturing country.

A couple of points, to add to the above;

Some parts may well have been substandard, but they would not have been used by Boeing in that state. They would have been reworked on site by Boeing and then certified.........just like a lot off parts that come of the production line. CNC is a great bit of kit, but it still makes mistakes. It is only as good as the person who Jigged the material into it and as good as the guy who programed it.

Another point, this is how pretty much all aircraft where build up until the 737.......by hand with hand tools.......OK, not the way that this aircraft build was planned, however........

AND......The English accent lends questions of credibility to those with something to gain by smearing a competing aircraft manufacturing country. It may have been an English Accent, but it was an Australian TV production. My experience of the States, and it is not small, half my family is American and I have worked State side and holidayed their more times in the last 25 years than not, I have noticed that my colloquial cousins across the pond do love everything English. From the Queen to pots of jam and cups of tea to Rolls Royce (admittedly German today ) , the Red Arrows and the rolling countryside and our period dramas than make it to US TV, but if there is one thing you cannot recognise if it hit your squarely in the face is an English accent. You must be one of the first to amaze me . The number of times I get, "I love your accent, are you from Australia" Depending on who asks, I sometimes say, "Yes, I come from a small Aboriginal town in the state of New Kings Land called Urrawanger (say it quick enough the "G" sounds like a "K" ).................

However I digress, I am a licensed engineer on Boeing 737NG, Airbus A320 family and Dash8-Q400. Build quality, Airbus is the better Aircraft. I say this from an engineers point of view. I am not interested in a pissing competition between A and B. I will also say I hate working on the Airbus, it is overly complex and hard to trouble shoot. As I said, this TV program was designed to entertain tabloid readers.

Matt

[Jetranger]

I don't know if any of its True or Not, or if any of it was over Hyped or not.

The FAA Inspector didn't have anything to gain, either way tho ??

What I do know is , over the last 25 to 30 years American and Foreign Automotive Car & Truck manufacturers have had tons of Recalls on their Vehicles, some resulting in anything from fires to brake failure - all kinds of other things.

While I respect the fact that there are Engineers who design this stuff rather Automotive or Aviation, or Structural, they are prone to make mistakes and or forced to cut corners due to costs, management, time constraints, etc.

I do know of a Disaster that happened where Corners were cut to save money, and the end result was hundreds were killed and scores Injured, over a "ANCHOR BOLT DESIGN" !!

I Personally was a Witness to this Horrific Disaster that happened in July 17th 1981. Also the many months and Years of the Investigation as to why the Skywalks collapsed and what caused it and how it could of happened.

I also remember the 70's FORD PINTO Automobile where the Gas Tank would Blow Up, if in a lite small collision with another auto, yet FORD Engineers knew about it, but were stirred away from making design changes due to what it would cost the auto company to redesign the tank.

Heres some of the interesting Facts and investigation into the Skywalk collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqp4K32sfDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmQS81k9eM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C3yalGGkVo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBqlXaL2y4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vFJMtRVds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6XP4Ev0Z8

FORD PINTO Problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stpBzOAcWw

FORD EXPLORER & FIRESTONE TIRE PROBLEMS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxiglfVpKQ

Doesn't matter Rather its Aircraft, Cars & Trucks, Tires or Buildings, corners have been cut, alternatives taken despite public safety concerns, and pressure to get the product out, even if it meant cutting a few corners, however necessary.

It happens, may not be right, may not be Ethical or moral, but it happens , and these aircraft manufacturers are no exception or their "Contractors" who supply the parts to them.