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I note a conspicuous lack of spacious SUV-s not from USA.

US models:
Cadillac Escalade ESV 566 cm long, 189 cm high
Chevrolet Suburban 565 cm long, 195 cm high
Ford Expedition EL 562 cm long, 197 cm high
Lincoln Navigator L 567 cm long, 199 cm high

But elsewhere, the top models are:
Audi - Q7, just 508 cm long, 174 cm high
BMW - X5, 485 cm long, 178 cm high
Honda - Pilot, 485 cm long, 180 cm high
Infiniti - QX56, 526 cm long, 200 cm high
Lexus - LX, 499 cm long, 192 cm high
Mercedes - GL-class, 508 cm long, 184 cm high
Mitsubishi - Pajero, 490 cm long, 190 cm high
Nissan - Armada, 526 cm long, 200 cm high
Porsche - Cayenne, 480 cm long, 170 cm high
Range Rover - 498 cm high, 190 cm high
Toyota Land Cruiser - 495 cm long, 188 cm high
Volvo XC90 - 481 cm long, 178 cm high

So... how do the interiors compare?

The insides are big enough for us Europeans. And they use a lot less fuel. Which is kind of expensive overhere.

Crash

Dude you are a bit obsessed with numbers You are asking questions that go way beyond what most of us are interested in when buying a car. Not that I am diminishing you post or interests in any way, but the fact that a Honda Pilot is 2cm taller than a BMW X5 plays no part in the decision making process. A Honda for example is not a BMW and never could be. For a start, the drivers seats on modern cars adjust in so many different directions, providing you are comparing two cars of a similar class, the head room will be pretty much identical. As for the interior, that is going to depend on a lot of things. During my last Summer holiday I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Driver and front passenger had lots of room, the boot was huge, but at the expense of the back seats.
The other thing to consider is that our roads are a lot smaller than yours. If you came over to Europe and met a "Yank Tank" on the road, passing you or coming head on, you would realise that we just do not require such large vehicles.
Also one thing to remember, the overall length of the US vehicles you quote have one thing that European models do not have...............a bonnet/hood that is the size of a football pitch to accommodate the huge engines that they have. You are comparing vehicles that have 5,6,7 litre and bigger engines with European wagon that are 2.5 to 3.5 litres. Quoting exterior measurements of all these different vehicles does not give us any comparison to how big the interior is.

Matt

Note how we mostly have the Germans and Japanese behind the design and build of our SUVs... Precision parts, not huge machines.

Cadillac Escalade. 6.2L V8. 403hp. 19mpg on the highway. 367 lb

The other thing to consider is that our roads are a lot smaller than yours. If you came over to Europe and met a "Yank Tank" on the road, passing you or coming head on, you would realise that we just do not require such large vehicles.

Actually, it is the Europeans who have the biggest cars.

A Lincoln Navigator L is, as mentioned 567 cm long. It also is 198 cm wide. The biggest non-Europaean sedan is Lincoln Town Car LWB, 562 cm long, and 199 cm wide.

A 199 cm high Lincoln Navigator towers over the mere 150 cm high Town Car, but the low and flat Town Car actually takes up no less surface area on the road.

All models of Phantom are bigger than Town Car LWB (Phantom SWB is 583 cm long, LWB 608 cm. Both are 199 cm wide and 163 cm high). Ditto about Maybach (lengths 573 and 617 cm, widths 198 and 199 cm, heights 157 and 158 cm).

But the biggest SUV-s are from America. For some reason, there is no Rolls SUV, nor a Maybach SUV, although there have been rumours of plans for the latter.

Also one thing to remember, the overall length of the US vehicles you quote have one thing that European models do not have...............a bonnet/hood that is the size of a football pitch to accommodate the huge engines that they have. You are comparing vehicles that have 5,6,7 litre and bigger engines with European wagon that are 2.5 to 3.5 litres. Quoting exterior measurements of all these different vehicles does not give us any comparison to how big the interior is.

Not quite.
Cadillac Escalade - 6,2 l
Chevrolet Suburban - 6,2 l
Ford Expedition - 5,4 l
Lincoln Navigator - 5,4 l

Audi Q7 - 6,0 l
BMW X5 - 4,8 l
Mercedes GL-class - 5,5 l
Porsche Cayenne - 4,8 l
Range Rover - 5,0 l
Volvo XC90 - 4,4 l

As you can see, even Audi Q7, with its 6,0 l engine, still is 58 cm shorter than the Cadillac Escalade ESV with 6,2 l engine. The size difference must go somewhere else...

The size difference must go somewhere else...

It does....

In the compartment where the owners of these vehicles here keep their egos.

The Phantom is considered a Luxury sedan/small limo. Affordable for only the rich and famous. It comes in some 10 times more than the town car in price.
A close competitor to the town car is the ford mondeo, or the vauxhall insignia.
the mondeo is 188 inches long and 74 inches wide.
the lincoln 221 inches long, and 78 inches wide.
Now the new mondeo is a large car, Having driven one, I can say its about as large a car as I would feel nessicary trying to drive round town in this country. That extra 4 inches of width and almost 40 in length would make getting into a standard parking space, at best time consuming, and at worst, impossible for most.

The other thing to consider is that our roads are a lot smaller than yours. If you came over to Europe and met a "Yank Tank" on the road, passing you or coming head on, you would realise that we just do not require such large vehicles.

Actually, it is the Europeans who have the biggest cars.

A Lincoln Navigator L is, as mentioned 567 cm long. It also is 198 cm wide. The biggest non-Europaean sedan is Lincoln Town Car LWB, 562 cm long, and 199 cm wide.

A 199 cm high Lincoln Navigator towers over the mere 150 cm high Town Car, but the low and flat Town Car actually takes up no less surface area on the road.

All models of Phantom are bigger than Town Car LWB (Phantom SWB is 583 cm long, LWB 608 cm. Both are 199 cm wide and 163 cm high). Ditto about Maybach (lengths 573 and 617 cm, widths 198 and 199 cm, heights 157 and 158 cm).

But the biggest SUV-s are from America. For some reason, there is no Rolls SUV, nor a Maybach SUV, although there have been rumours of plans for the latter.

Also one thing to remember, the overall length of the US vehicles you quote have one thing that European models do not have...............a bonnet/hood that is the size of a football pitch to accommodate the huge engines that they have. You are comparing vehicles that have 5,6,7 litre and bigger engines with European wagon that are 2.5 to 3.5 litres. Quoting exterior measurements of all these different vehicles does not give us any comparison to how big the interior is.

Not quite.
Cadillac Escalade - 6,2 l
Chevrolet Suburban - 6,2 l
Ford Expedition - 5,4 l
Lincoln Navigator - 5,4 l

Audi Q7 - 6,0 l
BMW X5 - 4,8 l
Mercedes GL-class - 5,5 l
Porsche Cayenne - 4,8 l
Range Rover - 5,0 l
Volvo XC90 - 4,4 l

As you can see, even Audi Q7, with its 6,0 l engine, still is 58 cm shorter than the Cadillac Escalade ESV with 6,2 l engine. The size difference must go somewhere else...

[quote]Note how we mostly have the Germans and Japanese behind the design and build of our SUVs... Precision parts, not huge machines.

Cadillac Escalade. 6.2L V8. 403hp. 19mpg on the highway. 367 lb

The Phantom is considered a Luxury sedan/small limo. Affordable for only the rich and famous. It comes in some 10 times more than the town car in price.
A close competitor to the town car is the ford mondeo, or the vauxhall insignia.
the mondeo is 188 inches long and 74 inches wide.
the lincoln 221 inches long, and 78 inches wide.
Now the new mondeo is a large car, Having driven one, I can say its about as large a car as I would feel nessicary trying to drive round town in this country. That extra 4 inches of width and almost 40 in length would make getting into a standard parking space, at best time consuming, and at worst, impossible for most.

The other thing to consider is that our roads are a lot smaller than yours. If you came over to Europe and met a "Yank Tank" on the road, passing you or coming head on, you would realise that we just do not require such large vehicles.

Actually, it is the Europeans who have the biggest cars.

A Lincoln Navigator L is, as mentioned 567 cm long. It also is 198 cm wide. The biggest non-Europaean sedan is Lincoln Town Car LWB, 562 cm long, and 199 cm wide.

The close competitor of Lincoln Town Car is Ford Crown Victoria. 538 cm long, 196 cm wide.

Not in Europe its not.
Your argument was, Europe has bigger cars than the US, by saying we have the Phantom, in comparison to the Town car.
Reality is, there is no comparison there. The European car you should be compairing numbers to, is the Ford Mondeo, the Vauxhall Insignia, And perhaps to a lesser extent the BMW 3 series, but although that now is more common than a mondeo, i'd say its still in a class higher than "family saloon"
These are the cars your average european family will be driving around in. Not Phantoms, not Maybachs. You like to use numbers a lot, use them where they matter in your arguments.

The close competitor of Lincoln Town Car is Ford Crown Victoria. 538 cm long, 196 cm wide.

It should be, they are the same car.

The close competitor of Lincoln Town Car is Ford Crown Victoria. 538 cm long, 196 cm wide.

It should be, they are the same car.

Well, Cadillac DTS probably is a different car?
It is 527 cm long.

The close competitor of Lincoln Town Car is Ford Crown Victoria. 538 cm long, 196 cm wide.

It should be, they are the same car.

Well, Cadillac DTS probably is a different car?
It is 527 cm long.

Yeah, it's a different car. Cadillac is owned by GM.

What Landcruiser... the Prado or the Commercial truck version... as these are totally different cars.

And you mixed up a few real 4x4s in that list, that cannot be compared to the US cars you started with

Not sure if it helps any but after my Lincoln LS(Jag S-type frame) got totaled out, I got a 2006 Lincoln Navigator 4x4.

I just wish Ford was not so damn lazy, and upped the power from 300hp in 1998. Even now it still has the same rating, while every one else in the segment caught up and surpassed it in hp ratting.

So first chance I get I plane on trying to get the Saleen Super Charger for it to jump it up to 450hp, because that is the only thing it really lacks.