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Shanghai this weekend, scene of the Hamilton tyre debacle last year.. have McLaren learned their lesson? Can Kubica make a late title challenge?

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1: Hamilton
2: Massa
3: Alonso

1) Red
2) Red
3) Powered by Red.



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Hamilton
Alonso
Massa

Hamilton
Massa
Alonso

No doubt going with alonso will be a big mistake this time - how i wish id stuck with it for the last race!

I predict Massa will sneeze, and a the closest car to him will be penalized

I predict Massa will sneeze, and a the closest car to him will be penalized

Or be black flagged because it in not red

Matt

Or be black flagged because it in not red

Matt

I'd love to see all the other teams turn up with their cars painted red, LMAO.



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I'm going to go

Massa
Hamilton
Raikkonen

As a side note Alonso has said he'll do what he can to help Massa, and several drivers are going to be bringing up in the next drivers meeting, Lewis' over aggressive driving at times when its not needed. Ala pushing trulli and I think Bourdais onto the grass at monza when he didn't need to, his first corner antics at fuji were the last straw apparently. I dont doubt Massa will be stood next to him answering some rather unfriendly questions from SeaBass.
On the plus side for Lewis supporters, it might wake him up into realising he doesn't need to go for the win and blow it all with silly mistakes. The last thing you want to do is upset your fellow drivers who might be infront of you with absolutly nothing to lose by blocking a corner a little more than nessicary and taking him out. Accidently of course.. LOL.

I want to throw my own conspiracy in there, did mclaren give Heikki a duff engine, or did they in someway cause it go to pop in an attempt to give lewis a chance at a point? It's a fresh change using his joker change in a team which has one of the more reliable power plants. hmm :-?

I'm going to go

Massa
Hamilton
Raikkonen

As a side note Alonso has said he'll do what he can to help Massa, and several drivers are going to be bringing up in the next drivers meeting, Lewis' over aggressive driving at times when its not needed. Ala pushing trulli and I think Bourdais onto the grass at monza when he didn't need to, his first corner antics at fuji were the last straw apparently. I dont doubt Massa will be stood next to him answering some rather unfriendly questions from SeaBass.
On the plus side for Lewis supporters, it might wake him up into realising he doesn't need to go for the win and blow it all with silly mistakes. The last thing you want to do is upset your fellow drivers who might be infront of you with absolutly nothing to lose by blocking a corner a little more than nessicary and taking him out. Accidently of course.. LOL.

I want to throw my own conspiracy in there, did mclaren give Heikki a duff engine, or did they in someway cause it go to pop in an attempt to give lewis a chance at a point? It's a fresh change using his joker change in a team which has one of the more reliable power plants. hmm :-?

Interesting that a Renault driver has said that he is willing to help Ferrari win the world title. We can see Alonso's loyalty is not worth a thing. Also it is said that Hamilton is arrogant and takes risks. One of the most arrogant drivers was world champion seven times.

Matt

PS, Who is Seabass??

I'm going to go

Massa
Hamilton
Raikkonen

As a side note Alonso has said he'll do what he can to help Massa, and several drivers are going to be bringing up in the next drivers meeting, Lewis' over aggressive driving at times when its not needed. Ala pushing trulli and I think Bourdais onto the grass at monza when he didn't need to, his first corner antics at fuji were the last straw apparently. I dont doubt Massa will be stood next to him answering some rather unfriendly questions from SeaBass.
On the plus side for Lewis supporters, it might wake him up into realising he doesn't need to go for the win and blow it all with silly mistakes. The last thing you want to do is upset your fellow drivers who might be infront of you with absolutly nothing to lose by blocking a corner a little more than nessicary and taking him out. Accidently of course.. LOL.

I want to throw my own conspiracy in there, did mclaren give Heikki a duff engine, or did they in someway cause it go to pop in an attempt to give lewis a chance at a point? It's a fresh change using his joker change in a team which has one of the more reliable power plants. hmm :-?

Interesting that a Renault driver has said that he is willing to help Ferrari win the world title. We can see Alonso's loyalty is not worth a thing. Also it is said that Hamilton is arrogant and takes risks. One of the most arrogant drivers was world champion seven times.

Matt

PS, Who is Seabass??

Bourdais.

And can you blame Alonso? I'm not a fan of his at all but the way he was treated last year he's hardly going to jump in and say if he can help anyone it'll be Mclaren.

As for Schumi, he never ran his mouth saying he was as good as Senna or anyone else, ever. Even after 7 titles he refused to say anything like that. Lewis has done bugger all as far as championships are concerned, and unlike Senna and Schumi he's yet to drive a crappy car. He also donated several million to various charitys and needs, while dedicating his free time to visiting those in need. Where as Lewis cant even go so far as taking up a challenge with Jens for a triathlon for charity and needed daddy to get him out of it.
Yes he was ruthless on track, but in general apart from the few times he pulled his stupid stunts, he was generally well liked and respected round the paddock.

I'm going to go

Massa
Hamilton
Raikkonen

As a side note Alonso has said he'll do what he can to help Massa, and several drivers are going to be bringing up in the next drivers meeting, Lewis' over aggressive driving at times when its not needed. Ala pushing trulli and I think Bourdais onto the grass at monza when he didn't need to, his first corner antics at fuji were the last straw apparently. I dont doubt Massa will be stood next to him answering some rather unfriendly questions from SeaBass.
On the plus side for Lewis supporters, it might wake him up into realising he doesn't need to go for the win and blow it all with silly mistakes. The last thing you want to do is upset your fellow drivers who might be infront of you with absolutly nothing to lose by blocking a corner a little more than nessicary and taking him out. Accidently of course.. LOL.

I want to throw my own conspiracy in there, did mclaren give Heikki a duff engine, or did they in someway cause it go to pop in an attempt to give lewis a chance at a point? It's a fresh change using his joker change in a team which has one of the more reliable power plants. hmm :-?

Interesting that a Renault driver has said that he is willing to help Ferrari win the world title. We can see Alonso's loyalty is not worth a thing. Also it is said that Hamilton is arrogant and takes risks. One of the most arrogant drivers was world champion seven times.

Matt

PS, Who is Seabass??

Bourdais.

And can you blame Alonso? I'm not a fan of his at all but the way he was treated last year he's hardly going to jump in and say if he can help anyone it'll be Mclaren.

As for Schumi, he never ran his mouth saying he was as good as Senna or anyone else, ever. Even after 7 titles he refused to say anything like that. Lewis has done bugger all as far as championships are concerned, and unlike Senna and Schumi he's yet to drive a crappy car. He also donated several million to various charitys and needs, while dedicating his free time to visiting those in need. Where as Lewis cant even go so far as taking up a challenge with Jens for a triathlon for charity and needed daddy to get him out of it.
Yes he was ruthless on track, but in general apart from the few times he pulled his stupid stunts, he was generally well liked and respected round the paddock.

One thing to remember is that what we get to hear is a product of the press and after all good news very rarely sells. Accepted Hamilton is Marmite, but to believe everything that is written............
As far as Schumi, I would say that he also never drove a crappy car. He never finished lower than 11th (limped home due to fuel pump failure) and if that is not counted, never lower than 7th (also not counting retirements due to accident and mechanical failure). His average finish was third to fifth-ish, hardly the product of a crappy car, even when he was with Jordan.

Matt

the first ferrari he drove was horrid. His abillity brought that car through to third in championship, Irvines 11 points was proof of that, the F2005 was dreadful again 62 points when compaired to 38 for rubens. In general they were much closer in other seasons. 2000 the exception.
And Schumi tested the crap cars at the start. Right off the bat he was faster than full time drivers with more experience.
I'm not saying Lewis couldn't do it. but until he's actually done it, he might want to hold off on compairing himself to Senna thats all.

As a side note Alonso has said he'll do what he can to help Massa, and several drivers are going to be bringing up in the next drivers meeting, Lewis' over aggressive driving at times when its not needed. Ala pushing trulli and I think Bourdais onto the grass at monza when he didn't need to, his first corner antics at fuji were the last straw apparently. I dont doubt Massa will be stood next to him answering some rather unfriendly questions from SeaBass.

What a load of garbage all this 'bigger drivers gang up on Hamilton at drivers breifing' nonsense

Alonso himself isnt immune to some dodgy stuff on the track, several in 2007, plus his love of brake testing other drivers -  Takes risks? Remember Spa 2007 Alonso? Only Hamilton backing off at the last second prevented what would have been the mother of all shunts into eau rouge on the opening lap, after Alonso pushed Hamilton of the track!! -  and most of the others have never been in a posistion to overtake, even if they can actualy do it properly.

Overtaking is somthing Hamilton excels at. I applauled his 'chop' of Alonso at Monza - payback for Spa 2007, wether intentional or not.

This year has been one of the best for overtaking and actual racing - why they have to whinge about it when this is what they supposedly do for a living is beyond me.

Massa seemingly lost his nerve, choked or whatever its called himself at Japan, as a championship contender what the hell was he doing running into Hamilton???  Then colliding with seabass...

Agreed, Hamilton was rather rash at the first corner, but i dont get this dangerous driving stuff. Its happened Hundreds of times at the starts of  Hundreds of GP's...

All of them whinging and moaning about Hamilton wont make him go away or stop overtaking them. Surely it will make him even more determined to overtake them and become an even more formidable opponent on the track.

Somthing written about mansell sums up Hamilton to me. It went along the lines of

  'You pressure him, he'd pressure you right back, you dodged and wove, he'd stick with it, you challenged him in a corner nerve for nerve and he'd still be there, you shook your fist at him and he'd shake his fist right back. I hope the message gets to the other drivers in the drivers breifing - 'dont push me around, any of you'

I await the next GP with interest.....!

They arn't bringing him up for the Alonso thing. They are bringing up for where he pushed trulli onto the grass in the curva grande or whatever it's called, when it wasn't nessicary, add in the rain it was very likely Trulli could have spun off at a high speed part of the track. He did the same to Bourdais or Vettel, I cant remember which, at the same place. Again not needed. There have been other incidents not just this year but last, that the drivers want to raise. It's not going to be a lets all gang up thing, Trulli is too quiet for that lol. But just a case of, try to cut out the stupid incidents. Massa needs the same talking to, he should have realised he didn't need to fight with hamilton for position with his tyres being badly flatspotted. I'm not saying he hit him deliberatly but he didn't need to be in that position to raise the question. Same with the Bourdais thing. Much faster car just give him space as there were several easy places to overtake. But he paid for it, unfortunatly so did Seabass.
In Massa's case it's quite surprising as we all know when he's back in the field he tends to sit around depressed and does little. But couple of times now Hungary, and Japan good examples, he's been far more aggressive. And in Lewis' case its becoming obvious he's prone to attempting the impossible when it goes wrong, instead of managing the situation calmly. I dont think anyone wants to see the title decided because either of them gets stupid and takes themself out the race. Get them both pulled up, told to calm it down and drive it to the end, why give the stewards even more excuse to give us bulletin board know it alls something to b*tch at and claim conspiracy.