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727 X service pack 2.3 is out!

Update to the post above:

I've been checking the CaptSim forums and other places and there is some rather negative feedback going on regarding update 2.3.

From all of the negative comments I've read about this model, it just flat out sucks if you are a 'book' flyer and as hard core as I am about the 727.

Buy the DF727 and say good ridance to the CS727. A flight engineer/pilot of this aircraft that I know says it doesn't get any better than this.

The DF has much more accurate flight modeling and systems functions. While it might be lacking some eye candy, it is accurate. I'm not much into the eue candy as I bought it for the flight model and systems modeling.

At least DF got the correct control yoke on the correct pole.

But the Captain Sim 727 is the only FSX compatible one out there...

If I had to make a choice between FS and the DF, I'd choose the DF and go back to FS9.

If I had to make a choice between FS and the DF, I'd choose the DF and go back to FS9.

yeah, but I understand that you have QUITE the "virtual" cockpit to fly from!

I'm not a member of Flightsim.com, but I've seen your pit over there on Paul Golding's forums.

Well actually I don't. But thanks for the compliments on my simulator.

Both Paul and Hans have helped me and Joe Moldano out in the past with issues we've had interfacing the various fuctions of this aircraft, but I wouldn't say we have any influence on their decisions.

Both Joe and I are in quite the minority of hard-core 727 builders/pilots. I can count that number of builders on one hand and have fingers left over...including Joe and I.

I would be afraid to crash that thing.

Actually the patch is not so bad at all. E.g. concerning EPR may be it would be better to use CS manuals Somebody at their forum has already reported that EPR are OK now. If you read their forums you'll see there are only two issues and they both are being already worked on.

We users are never completely satisfied with any product and always want it to be better and better. They have released a patch to fix most critical issues and the 727 is even better now than it was (and it was NOT bad at all). And when developers release patches it is good. It means they are still working on their bird.

Actually the patch is not so bad at all. E.g. concerning EPR may be it would be better to use CS manuals Somebody at their forum has already reported that EPR are OK now. If you read their forums you'll see there are only two issues and they both are being already worked on.

We users are never completely satisfied with any product and always want it to be better and better. They have released a patch to fix most critical issues and the 727 is even better now than it was (and it was NOT bad at all). And when developers release patches it is good. It means they are still working on their bird.

You are correct:

I think the biggest problem with the bird is that CS doesn't expect anyone to fly it by the book or even care to fly it by the book.

Most casual simmers don't want to make a career out of learning to correctly fly a first generation turbine aircraft when there are so many easier pushbutton aircraft to fly.

Like you said, it is what it is. Jam the throttles to the stops and go, is the impression I get from their model and from what you've written above.

I see that reflected in so many screen shots of this bird that I've lost count over the years. Flaps not set correctly, no TO trim, no landing trim, flaps not set correctly for landing, ad nauseum. It's a wonder they can land or takeoff without going deaf with all of the warning horns and bells going off.

Flaps not set correctly, no TO trim, no landing trim, flaps not set correctly for landing, ad nauseum. It's a wonder they can land or takeoff without going deaf with all of the warning horns and bells going off.

Who said the klaxons don't start ringing even when she is perfectly configured..

No seriously:

I consider myself a polite person. At CS forum I just made a few remarks about new patch and the fact there were still bugs, even new ones (no sound). All my posts were deleted and they were quite rude to me. To my question, why in the world they deleted my posts the answer was "look at the rules". I did. Didn't breake any of the rules but there was one about the fact they can do whatever they want. And they did. From now on I will think twice (or twenty times) before I buy another CS product.

You introduced a problem that they're too lazy to fix. Simple as that.

...say no evil, and there is no evil.

Well, this is no way to do business. They are loosing customers (they lost me) because of this poor attitude.
I read before a lot of negative things about CS but I thought people were overreacting... well, now I know they were not. That's all I have to say about cs. I'm moving on..