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Did a search on a widely used program for downloading files today (not going to say which incase anybody decides to try to download some) and found over 22 types of Payware available for download (including the real air spit and lago tornado.) and probably some more that didn't have the makers name on it. This is just as bad as the people on ebay who charge for freeware, here you get payware free.
So perhaps freeware should be called payware from now on and payware should be called freeware.
To think that people put so much effort into making freeware and payware aircraft then so many people just rip them off. Hopefully there will be something on fs10 to help prevent payware piracy but I don't know what but hopefully it will help stop this.

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Thats well known.  The thing is, most of those download programs are entirely illegal.   Music downloads are illegal unless you pay for them.  So I would suggest that you ask a mod to lock this thread and not bring up these types of programs to avoid any trouble.  

It's hard to regulate much on p2p file sharing programs. They're also dangerous to use. I tried using one a while back, and downloaded more fake files, and viruses then I wanted. I did find some interesting things, but in the end, I dumped the program and havn't used it in a couple years

Yeah...it does suck....sad once you know about it...

Sucks big time, but torrents are the best way for me get all my linux stuff

Piracy will be around as long as computers will be, But personally 40-60 bucks a plane, When I can buy a game for the same I'm shocked, Only reason I get payware is friends/Family ask me what I want and buy it..... But maybe payware comps should take Alphasim for example! Cheers, Gunny (payware is too damn expencive sometimes)

EDIT: I think Payware companies rip the people off, but just my oppinion and nothing more

Many of the people who purchase the pirated stuff are usually those who are not so informed about the dangers. And those who are not informed are usually those who don't visit forums like SimV, AvSim, or Flight Sim. Forums provide tons of info, but those who get ripped off don't know that.

What I'm trying to say that knowledge is a powerful tool. If you know where to look and know where to avoid because you were informed in the forums, then your chances of getting ripped off are reduced significantly.

Many of the people who purchase the pirated stuff are usually those who are not so informed about the dangers. And those who are not informed are usually those who don't visit forums like SimV, AvSim, or Flight Sim. Forums provide tons of info, but those who get ripped off don't know that.

What I'm trying to say that knowledge is a powerful tool. If you know where to look and know where to avoid because you were informed in the forums, then your chances of getting ripped off are reduced significantly.

+1...I agree to that

I agree but You will never stop P2P as long as there are computers and the internet. When it comes to songs they should put a small surcharge on disks, cd's & DVD's to forward onto the performers as royalties. That way they will at least get something for their songs. What about recording a song off the radio onto a cassette or a show off your tv with a video. it's the same thing but you never hear about that. i am sure years ago they put a surcharge on Cassette tapes for the same reason. As far as i am aware It is legal in Canada to download music, it is just illegal to upload it. The governments of the world need to find a formula to make it legal and a way of obtaining a small surcharge wether by adding a bit to the price of blank media or some other way. Even security devices in the software don't always work either, someone opens it probably by buying it then after it is extracted forwards it on to a mate or someone else. No sooner does someone come out with a good security device for software then within 24 hours someone has a crack or hacked it one form or another.

I agree but You will never stop P2P as long as there are computers and the internet. When it comes to songs they should put a small surcharge on disks, cd's & DVD's to forward onto the performers as royalties. That way they will at least get something for their songs. What about recording a song off the radio onto a cassette or a show off your tv with a video. it's the same thing but you never hear about that. i am sure years ago they put a surcharge on Cassette tapes for the same reason. As far as i am aware It is legal in Canada to download music, it is just illegal to upload it. The governments of the world need to find a formula to make it legal and a way of obtaining a small surcharge wether by adding a bit to the price of blank media or some other way. Even security devices in the software don't always work either, someone opens it probably by buying it then after it is extracted forwards it on to a mate or someone else. No sooner does someone come out with a good security device for software then within 24 hours someone has a crack or hacked it one form or another.

Seems like a lotta wasted money/Effort..... I've had to deal with some security stuff that MADE me turn off half of my comps programs just to run it..... Wasteful if you ask me and it irritates me, cheers, Gunny

Sometimes payware is a ripoff too.  I dont have any, but paying 60 or more dollars for 1 plane is absurd.  Thats twice as much as the sim!  Also, some of these companies that make you buy the plane THEN buy the textures are ripping you off.

Sometimes payware is a ripoff too.  I dont have any, but paying 60 or more dollars for 1 plane is absurd.  Thats twice as much as the sim!  Also, some of these companies that make you buy the plane THEN buy the textures are ripping you off.

The texture stuff is mostly by PSS...that has me mad too...but when you think of it...you're flying an aircraft worth more than $60 million for a mere $50...and that too with almost all systems modelled (I am talking about the PMDG 747), I wouldn't say that's a bad price...that's just my opinion....I usually wait for a month or two for the prices to drop...then go ahead and by products...I also have a on of Commercial airliners since that is what I mainly fly....

I have the just purchased my only payware aircraft the Aeroworx Kingair 200 a great aeroplane with excellent detail. Slightly overpriced when you concider you can purchase the complete FS2004 program for double the price. But i must admit the detail that has gone into it is like chalk and cheese compared to the default aircraft. Then again if the default aircraft were a perfect replication of the real thing (AS REAL AS IT GETS) we wouldn't need these great payware addons.
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Yeah I do think prices are kind of high on aircraft compared to other payware addons. I have no idea how well the payware market is doing but but remember game companys can sell ther products for say 50$ each instead of 200 because they sell a lot of copies. Payware dosen't have that kind of market and dosen't sell as much so to make a profit prices are higher. Still I would think if they lowered price they would sell more and it would all balance out and probably get more of a profit.

Anyway I say Microsoft ditch making their own aircraft, contract a few payware companies Like PMDG etc to make aircraft and or scenery.