Annoyed Poll !

[Jetranger]

Your a few Taco's Short of having a Full Combination Plate , Boy !!

[jcj78]

Payware is caveat emptor, it always has been, and always will be. Complaining in an open forum amounts to begging.

FAIL. It could just as easily be interpreted as a warning or review. Everyone who posts a review is a whiner?

Also, such complaining is whining, especially if said complainer has been burnt over and over again, and still keeps on buying more payware from the same source.

FAIL. It could just as easily be interpreted as a warning or review. Everyone who posts a less-than-stellar review is a complainer? And if there is good reason for complaint, what's wrong with it?


LOL that "begging" and "whining" and "complaining" and "reviewing" are the same thing at your house. I bet your kids are always sad to see you come home from work.

Add to that, in the original post, his main bone of contention was the lack of repaints, which he's shown himself to be more than capable of accomplishing.

FAIL. Have you repainted the specified aircraft? Then don't talk to me about how easy it is. I have posted repaints, and they mostly suck, and they weren't that easy. People who think they fall out of the sky haven't a clue.

So what was the point of the post? Oh, he wanted the opinion of other people. Aside from that, unless I am mistaken, "opinion" does not mean "agree with me or you are slime".

The point was to discuss the lack of satisfaction with, in particular, the JF Connie. And more than one member had complaints about it, so they probably aren't that unreasonable.
No, you're not slime because you don't agree. you're an A**hole, and I'm not sure why. Genetics? Environment? A combination? Who cares?

With that, I will leave you to your "holier than thou" hissy fit.

Back at you, son. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Anthindelahunt]

We as customers have a wright to complain about a product
that has not come up to an acceptable standard.What you see in
adds, screenshots, is not what you always get.

If you buy a TV that has a terrible picture,you have the wright to
demand your money back

What is your problem Boycat????

I back Jetranger to the hilt.

My two bits.

Anthin.

[Tonydb]

Payware is caveat emptor, it always has been, and always will be. Complaining in an open forum amounts to begging. Also, such complaining is whining, especially if said complainer has been burnt over and over again, and still keeps on buying more payware from the same source. Add to that, in the original post, his main bone of contention was the lack of repaints, which he's shown himself to be more than capable of accomplishing. So what was the point of the post? Oh, he wanted the opinion of other people. Aside from that, unless I am mistaken, "opinion" does not mean "agree with me or you are slime".

With that, I will leave you to your "holier than thou" hissy fit.

payware is certainly not 'caveat emptor' you have a right to expect and receive a fair deal for your money, substandard payware is just a rip-off, if you buy on a credit card complain to the card company and get your money back! It is the lack of complaining that encourages the rip-off to continue.

[Jetranger]

Well, apparently I'm NOT the only one, who must be a whiner & complainer !

Several other Sim Pilots are also noticing the trend as well, as to what their doing !

Heres a few comment posts what they had to say.

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Almost 3 month and we are waiting service pack Thumbs Down


very disappointed, that we have to wait, so the developer can sell another product, before fixing the one we all paid good money for.


I agree I will not be buying from Just Flight or Just Trains until I have a working DC-8! Rich please check, I have, over the years, purchased many products from Just Flight/Trians, really not happy with the length of time for this to be addressed.

Yes they should first "finish" this product well done and then go to the next product, this is not a good "MODUS OPERANDI" for any business, because then you take out the F-27,and when the F-27 problems came, you are working with the DC-8 and then you going to have customers unhappy with the F-27 also, and that`s going to happen and continue over and over.

I agree ,what i got for my money is 1 big bug a useless aircraft, I hope these guys turn there head to dc8 soon, but I doubt.

Same here, disgusting lack of customer care, I will not be buying any product from JF until the DC8 is fixed.

totally agree! Never ever a product from From Just Flight again, last time ever I purchased something from them was this DC-8! Crap!

The 50-70 series has been out for a "couple of months" now, and I wonder why there only a couple of repaints on avsim and flightsim websites. I have livery pack 1&2 and the what if pack but I would like to see more.

Well actually that is not all that is missing, we have no freighter for the early DC8's or the 61F and 62F. The poor 71 and 72 have not made any kind of showing at all in this package. I hope JF will make an add on that will add these missing aircraft, I just can't believe they missed out the 72 because that plane was a popular VIP aircraft and lets not forget the NASA bird. Just Flight will also be selling Cargo Hauler 2 in the near future so it makes sense to add the freighters.

That is horribly disappointing...

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That's just on the recently released DC8 Jetliner, like in over a year ago, even.

To date they still haven't corrected the Lockheed Constellation and yet Just Flight has the Model Source files, as I was informed by the original Designer Creator of Aeroplane Heaven which was Contracted to make / develop the Connie, which was released like 2009.

Theres other issues with other Aircraft, as well that they seem to blow off, some lite some serious.

But, you don't know what your getting until you've actually got it, and it isn't always what was Advertised or Hyped in the Promotions, and or ads, as has been already said on this thread ! Thank You !

What I and others are Peeved at is why they won't go back and fix the models they've already released some time ago, that Simmers / Customers "PAID FOR", yet their running ahead and Developing other Aircraft that are as Questionable and end up having issues too, leaving their customers hanging for months on end .

This Link is a case in point Read, see the photos : http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19795&title=service-packs-question-help-connie

I've asked them for a Fix and never got a reply for like 6 months, and then when they did, the answer was they didn't have the Source files they said, it was up to Aeroplane heaven ???

Again, why is there are very few Repaints on the Flight Sim Forums for a majority of their Aircraft

Hardly any for their L-1011's compared to Captain Sims ??

same for JF's 737 100/200 series - yet all kinds for Captain Sims 737-100/200's

After looking into the Paint files that Just Flight has, compared to what the others have I can see why, their ridliciously chopped up making it difficult for even average painters to work with, compared to the other competitors that offer the same model aircraft.

Just seems strange that Simmers can find all kinds of "FREE" Re-Paints for the Aircraft they Purchased from other developers, yet get an Aircraft from JF, and your basically stuck with what they give ya, you won't find many if at all any repaints for them.

Their Constellation is one of them, theres only 1 over at OzX

hardly any for their DC 6's like 2 out.

few for their DC 3's

So, yes this post thread was originally about how the others feel and have they noticed the same thing and the issues with what they've purchased thru Just light and their Trend within the last few years towards their Customers, who paid money for these Products.

What this post / Thread wasn't about, was rather - I or "anybody else", should have the right to complain, whine, moan, Rant, about a product they may have purchased that isn't right , and or were blew off for whatever reason, rather it be an Simware Aircraft, or a Washer / Dryer , refrigerator, Tires, whatever.

I was under the assumption that Forums & Blogs were to Share information on all kinds of things, rather it be good, or, badd and to educate others about all kinds of things, good or badd, even to post Rants, complaints, photos , videos etc about all kinds of things.

In this particular case , I was not only complaining about a product , but also to advise others that may not know , to advise them "BEFORE" they make a decision, which is why I also posted several LINKS for them to READ from other users as well, if they take the time to research them for themselves and see, and then base a decision on what they've read and researched, for a lotta this information wasn't out there at the time I went and purchased the Aircraft I have now from them.

So, if someone is unhappy and or offended by anybody voiceing their complaints, Facts, knowledge about a said product or an issue, than maybe they need to go to a different thread post or another forum and make themselves happy there dictating what others can, can not say or post if that's what floats their boat.

I don't hate ya Boikat, I just totally and completely Disagree with your Analogy and idealogy and mentality on this particular issue !

Boikat voiced his opinion, rather its right or wrong its how he feels, he has that right, rather I agree or anybody else , it doesn't really matter, its water under the bridge !

[pete]

Of course anyone should complain if you pay for something and feel it's not up to par.

But I see some comments here that are directly personal and insulting to members.

That is not within our rules here. We insist on members being polite and respectful to other members. Period.

You need to repect that rule if you wish to be a member here. Thanks

[pegger]

you're an A**hole, and I'm not sure why. Genetics? Environment? A combination? Who cares?

Such a shame that this type of behaviour is becoming more common on this site. I always thought members here were more open to constructive discussion, and less about getting in each others face...

[ftldave]

No surprise that a corporation like Just Flight would put more resources into selling more product than fixing what's all ready been sold. Primary responsibility of the corporation is to the owners/shareholders and management, not employees, not customers. Too bad - I enjoy many of the models from both Just Flight and Just Trains. I wish they'd do better, but I'm not surprised at all by what's been reported here. Par for the course, chaps. Smaller payware companies sometimes respond more in kind, but we've seen many of them go T's up, abandoned and no longer providing any support. Caveat emptor, indeed, that's the rule, like it or not. Expecting any better is kind of naïve these days.

WHY DO BIG COMPANIES SUCK

[pete]

you're an A**hole, and I'm not sure why. Genetics? Environment? A combination? Who cares?

Oh jeezzz .... jcj78 overstepped the mark with that and other remarks. He was banned by another of our mods.

I and I'm sure some others, agree with the ban.

Now time to get back to normal!!

[Fozzer]

you're an A**hole, and I'm not sure why. Genetics? Environment? A combination? Who cares?

Oh jeezzz .... jcj78 overstepped the mark with that and other remarks. He was banned by another of our mods.

I and I'm sure some others, agree with the ban.

Now time to get back to normal!!

Phew!.....

..thank goodness for that.... ...!

Back to normal peace and tranquillity!

Paul....I love Peace and Tranquillity...works wonders for my heart!.... ...!!

..this is a time when you spot your friends...and "not so" friends!

[pete]

It's a shame it all came to this. jj78 was a good contributor to simviation with 2 whole pages of files (which he has requested to be removed) - including scenery and aircraft - and 20,000 downloads.
However if you're not prepared to abide by our codes of conduct .....

[Daube]

It seems like an interesting discussion. I tried to read everything my I'm ont sure if I understood everything correctly. Anyways, please correct me if I'm wrong.

The topic seems to be about the bad price/quality ration of some payware addons, mainly from JustFlight. The Connie is taken as example.
I believe we should keep the context in mind. Sure, the Connie is really not up to today's standards in terms of graphic quality and features, but it's quite an old addon.
Also, one should take the "expectations" into consideration too. Some people are really expecting the whole interior of a plane to be modelled correctly, with wing views etc... but on the other hand:
- most sim pilots are more interested in the amount of details from the VC than in the passenger cabin
- the Connie is quite an old addon. Planes with too much details in the interior could have a bad impact on the FPS. The Connie was the only one available with a full virtual cockpit, including an interractive engineer panel (the freeware one from Manfred didn't exist yet, or it didn't have a VC).

That means that most pilots were quite happy about that plane, at that time. Nowadays, the "normal" price is perhaps a bit exagerated for what the plane offers.
This is precisely why somebody has to carefull read the reviews of a plane before deciding to buy it:
- If a simmer wants a good and complete interior with wing views, the Connie from JF is clearly not a good choice
- If a simmer want a Connie with a good VC in which he can control all the systems without using 2D panels, then the JF Connie is a good (and the only) choice.


Concerning the amount of available repaints, this is directly linked to the popularity of a model.
The popularity of a model depends on various criteria, and these criteria can vary depending on whether the plane is payware or freeware.
For payware planes, the popularity criteria will be much more "strict" than the freeware planes, because people usually don't want to spend money on unatractive models.
The graphic quality is amongst the strongest criteria, usually. This is precisely why Captain Sim planes are more popular than JF planes.
Planes from A2A, especially the one with the Accusim extension, are some of the most popular models ever, and the amount of repaints is quite high.

Sometimes it's also just a matter of time. Some planes are excellent, and popular, but they don't get repaints because no repainter was interested. For example, the freeware T-6 Texan for FSX by Warwick Carter. Areally great model (highly recommended, it's one of my favorites). That plane came out a few years back. It had two repaints in the original package, and these were just cartoonish, to be honest. But then, the famous John Terrell (the guy who made the various WarBirdSim P-51 Mustangs) started to produce some outstanding repaints which finally matched the 3D quality of the model, and since then, that Texan has an interesting amount of high quality repaints.

But for a payware plane to get repaints, it must first sell in high volumes. And some JF plane just couldn't.... yet.