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Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:55 am
by Poseidon
Has anyone flown the B767-300 of Project Opensky? I takeoff and start my climb at 1800 FPM, The airplane accelerates well and maintains speed up to about 20000 (0.7 mach) and then starts losing airspeed even if I reduce the climb rate to 1400 or even 1200. As a result it stalls before FL350 which I believe should not be a problem for this airplane. No need to say that spoilers, flaps, landing gear are clean. Has anyone experienced the same problem?

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:58 am
by ozzy72
It sounds like you're maintaining to high an angle of attack. Try lowering the nose a tad, and you should gradually float up to the required flight level ;)

Ozzy

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:33 am
by Poseidon
I tend to believe FL370 may be too much for 767. I tried again and made it to FL350 with 8 degrees angle of attack and 1000-1200 FPM. I reached FL350 just above the stall airspeed and then the cruising (level) had to be continued with a 3-4 degrees nose up.

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:49 am
by microlight
May be a dynamics issue - I'll have a look.
:)

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:16 am
by Nexus
FL370 is not too much for a 767.
Heck, some years ago I was onboard a 767 that cruized at FL390

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:34 am
by Poseidon
Ok, that makes sence now. Thanks Nexus.

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:46 pm
by Selbio
I have experienced the same problem. But I realized that I was taking off with the fuel tanks at 100% capacity. You actually need the amount of fuel required for the flight + some for holding time and all that.
What I do before I start the flight is use the MS flight planner to see how much fuel I would need for the flight, then I'd add around 2000 gallons(add them evenly) and I would have enough to take off and ascend without any loss of speed and to be able to land without a lot of weight.
After I did this I noticed that the plane flew much better. I have also noticed that using the PIC panel wil cause the aircraft to lose power on take off. However; there is a merge for Posky and PIC 767 that you can use that eliminates all these problems.

Re: Project Opensky B767-300

PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:24 pm
by microlight
BA take 767s to places like Phoenix AZ from Heathrow, so they must be capable of taking off with a full fuel load! I think that the .cfg file for the Posky 767 overdoes the drag element, making it almost impossible to reach cruise speed (at FL310, I've managed to get to M0.72 with the default Posky settings) instead of M0.83-ish. If you cut and paste this into the .cfg file, replacing what's there (back up the original first!):

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar     = 1.00
parasite_drag_scalar   = 1.00
induced_drag_scalar    = 1.00
elevator_effectiveness = 1.00
aileron_effectiveness  = 1.00
rudder_effectiveness   = 1.20
pitch_stability        = 1.20
roll_stability         = 1.00
yaw_stability          = 1.00
elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_trim_effectiveness  = 1.0
rudder_trim_effectiveness   = 1.0

and then add this as a new section:

[jet_engine]
thrust_scalar=1.05

This should make it behave a little better. You will still need to burn off fuel at FL310 as otherwise the nose gets too high, and once the fuel level is down, you can climb and get a more reasonable attitude.

:)