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No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:28 pm
by WebbPA
Can someone try to duplicate this - it might be a bug in FS?

The ILS for runway 9R at KMIA (Miami International) seems to have no DME.  I first blamed the aircraft, then the panel but I've tried several other scenarios with the same result.

The ILS freq is 110.9.  I can hear it beeping and see the glideslope indicators but no DME readout.  I'm sure I had the DME radio matched to the NAV radio because I have tried several scenarios - switching to the VOR freq, Rwy 27's ILS, different aircraft.  Everything works except the DME for Rwy 9R.

Is this a real life scenario. a bug in FS or just a bug on my computer?

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:39 pm
by FSTipster
Some VORs (of which ILS is a part) aren't equipped with DME equipment.

I'd consider that this is very unlikely in the case of Miami International, but you'd have to check it on charts to be sure. The reference code for the ILS of that runway is IBUL if you can track a chart down to check.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:45 pm
by FSTipster
Just to confirm, there's no DME when I fly it either. Either it doesn't haven't one or Microsoft forgot to include it.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:00 pm
by WebbPA
Thanks Tipster.  Glad to know it's not a bug in my system alone.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:51 pm
by BFMF
I wonder if it's possible to fix it ???

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:56 pm
by BFMF
I just opened up KMIA with Afcad and exported it to a text file. I took a look at it and it looks like you change a couple values to fix it. Somebody will have to check it out.

I can't right now cause i'm in the middle of a flight and i've got 6 hours left to brisbane

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:02 pm
by WebbPA
Thanks Andrew.

I don't understand a bit of what you said but I'm from S. Fla. and I like to fly a lot of local airports.  If I could fix this bug it would be really helpful.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:18 pm
by FSTipster
You can fix it with ttools  (via AFCAD possibly) which is what I think Andrew is referring to.

I'm no expert on that but there are folks out there who know how to do it,, one of which looks like Andrew :D

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:24 pm
by WebbPA
Thanks Tipster,  I vaguely understand you.

I looked into TTools once (Project AI - right?) but it looked like all it would do was change "Orbit Airlines" to "American Airlines" - more trouble than it was worth.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:24 pm
by BFMF
I'm no expert, I just had an idea ;)

TTools doesn't edit airport data, Afcad does. You can add and edit navaids at an airport with Afcad.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:28 pm
by WebbPA
I don't have aafcad.  Is this just a bug in the prog?

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:28 pm
by BFMF
WebPA,

ProjectAI replaces the default airlines with real airlines to the flightsim world. I've got my FS world full of real airlines flying around, and I don't have any of the default orbit and landmark airlines anymore.

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:54 pm
by WebbPA
Andrew and Tipster,

I appreciate your help.  It sounds like the cure is worse than the disease.  There is a bug in the prog affecting the ILS at Rwy 9R at KMIA and that's that.  I would report it to MS but I doubt it would do any good, esp since a new version is in the works.

(PS- I DID send emails to MS and several airlines about my "why no real life liveries" question but no substantive responses as yet.)

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:00 pm
by FSTipster
(PS- I DID send emails to MS and several airlines about my "why no real life liveries" question but no substantive responses as yet.)


Can't wait to hear the replies.. ;D

Re: No DME at KMIA - very wierd

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:21 am
by BFMF
Do you really want MS to do real airlines??
Do you think MS would do it right? PAI is constantly working on AI traffic, whereas MS would work on it, say it's done and never do anything to it again.

PAI is constantly fixing, improving, and adding to their work 8)