Simviation Forums

Hi, I just installed FS2002, I was kind of wondering if this was OK and would do no harm to my computer or monitor, I set all the slides to right full on every thing and checked most of the boxes in settings. I have read a lot about frame rates and still don't understand them. I pressed the Shift Z keys twice to see what my frame rates were. They read from 39 to 98 through out take off and landing in heavy weather in skylane on 80 mile trip. Are these good frame rates or should I restrict them to a certian number. There is absolutly no stutter and scenery is beautiful,(I bought Ruud Faber's FScene)effects like rain are also very good. My monitor is set to 95 hertz, I use Win XP, 2.5 Pentum 4, 512 Rimm, and I have a ATI Radion 8500DV All In Wonder video card. All the settings on the video card are set to default, which is a balance between performance and quality. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks, Dan

Hi Dan....!
With frame rates running at 98 and everything thing maxed out, I reckon you have got two Cray Super-Compters running in parallel.... ...!

I can't remember anyone claiming frame rates as high as that with settings at max.... ...!
Most of us have to be content with 10 to 30 FPS with 3/4 settings.... ...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

P.S.  can I have a serial link with your set-up...
...please... ...!

[ WCPUID Version 3.1a  (c) 1996-2002  By H.Oda! ]
$$--- System Information

[BIOS Information]
Vendor String : Dell Computer Corporation
Version String : XP2
 Release Date : 11/09/2001
     ROM Size : 512 KB

[Motherboard Information]
 Manufacturer : Dell Computer Corporation
Product String : Dimension 8100              
Version String : (non)
Serial Number : (non)

D:2.3 S:2.3 V:T
##--- Date 02/23/2003, Time 08:36:33




--------------------------------------------------------------------


[ WCPUID Version 3.1a  (c) 1996-2002  By H.Oda! ]

 Processor #1 : Intel Pentium 4 / 7C2CEBBA
     Platform : Socket478 (mPGA478 Socket)
Vendor String : GenuineIntel
     CPU Type : Original OEM Processor (0)
       Family : 15 (0)
        Model : 2  (0)
  Stepping ID : 7  (-)
        Brand : 9
         APIC : 0
HT Log.CPU Cnt : ----
  Name String : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.50GHz

Internal Clock : 2471.79 MHz
   System Bus :  395.49 MHz QDR
 System Clock :   98.87 MHz
   Multiplier :   25.0  

   L1 I-Cache :  ----
   L1 D-Cache :    8K Byte
   L1 T-Cache :   12K uOps
   L1  Cache  :  ----
   L2  Cache  :  512K Byte
   L2  Speed  : 2471.79 MHz (Full)

   MMX   Unit : Supported
   SSE   Unit : Supported
  SSE2   Unit : Supported
  MMX2   Unit : Not Supported
 3DNow!  Unit : Not Supported
 3DNow!+ Unit : Not Supported

  Host Bridge : 8086:2530.02 [Intel 850/850E]
IDE Controller : 8086:244B.04 [Intel 82801BA (ICH2)]
   VGA Device : 1002:4242.00 [ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 8500 DV Edition]
 Memory  Size : 512M Byte
 Memory Clock :  395.48 MHz
              : 50,2,M:0800,D:0A05,R:0800

   OS Version : Windows XP  Version 5.01.2600 Service Pack 1
-------------- : -----------------------------------
   StdFunc 0  : 00000002 756E6547 6C65746E 49656E69
   StdFunc 1  : 00000F27 00010809 00000000 BFEBF9FF
   StdFunc 2  : 665B5101 00000000 00000000 007B7040
   ExtFunc 0  : 80000004 00000000 00000000 00000000
   ExtFunc 1  : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
   ExtFunc 2  : 20202020 20202020 20202020 6E492020
   ExtFunc 3  : 286C6574 50202952 69746E65 52286D75
   ExtFunc 4  : 20342029 20555043 30352E32 007A4847
   00000017h  : 000A0000 00000000 00000000 00000000
   0000001Bh  : 00000000 FEE00100 00000000 00000000
   0000002Bh  : 00000000 0000007E 00000000 00000000
   0000002Ch  : 00000000 19100019 00000000 00000000
   000001A0h  : 00000000 000000C9 00000000 00000000

##--- Date 02/23/2003, Time 08:36:33


-----------------------------------------------------------------------



[ WCPUID Version 3.1a  (c) 1996-2002  By H.Oda! ]
$$--- Chipset Information

   Host Bridg : 8086 2530 02 00C71028  Intel 850/850E
    ISA Bridg : 8086 2440 04 00000000  
IDE Controller : 8086 244B 04 00C71028  Intel 82801BA (ICH2)
   VGA Device : 1002 4242 00 02AA1002  ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 8500 DV Edition

 AGP Revision : 2.0            / Enabled
                (Status)         (Command)
    Data Rate : 1x 2x 4x       / 4x
   Fast Write : Supported      / Disabled
4GB Addressing : Not Supported  / Disabled
Side Band Addr.: Supported      / Enabled
Aperture Size : 128 MB
---------------------------------------------------------------
A0:[02] A1:[00] A2:[20] A3:[00] A4:[17] A5:[02] A6:[00] A7:[1F]
A8:[04] A9:[03] AA:[00] AB:[00] AC:[00] AD:[00] AE:[00] AF:[00]
B0:[80] B1:[00] B2:[00] B3:[00] B4:[20] B5:[00] B6:[00] B7:[00]
B8:[00] B9:[00] BA:[10] BB:[00] BC:[20] BD:[10] BE:[8A] BF:[00]

##--- Date 02/23/2003, Time 08:33:35



----------------------------------------------------------------------



[ WCPUID Version 3.1a  (c) 1996-2002  By H.Oda! ]
$$--- Cache Information (Processor #1)

[L1 Information]
  Trace Cache :  12K uOps cache       8-way set associative                      
Instruct. TLB  :   4K byte pages       4-way set associative  32 entries
              :   4K byte pages       2M/4M byte pages       128 entries
   Data Cache :   8K byte cache size  4-way set associative  dual-sectored line  
   Data  TLB  :   4K byte pages       4M byte pages          64 entries

[L2 Information]
Level 2 Cache : 512K byte cache size  8-way set associative  64 byte line size   dual-sectored line

##--- Date 02/23/2003, Time 08:36:33


---------------------------------------------------------------------


[ WCPUID Version 3.1a  (c) 1996-2002  By H.Oda! ]
$$--- Chipset Information

   Host Bridg : 8086 2530 02 00C71028  Intel 850/850E
    ISA Bridg : 8086 2440 04 00000000  
IDE Controller : 8086 244B 04 00C71028  Intel 82801BA (ICH2)
   VGA Device : 1002 4242 00 02AA1002  ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 8500 DV Edition

 AGP Revision : 2.0            / Enabled
                (Status)         (Command)
    Data Rate : 1x 2x 4x       / 4x
   Fast Write : Supported      / Disabled
4GB Addressing : Not Supported  / Disabled
Side Band Addr.: Supported      / Enabled
Aperture Size : 128 MB
---------------------------------------------------------------
A0:[02] A1:[00] A2:[20] A3:[00] A4:[17] A5:[02] A6:[00] A7:[1F]
A8:[04] A9:[03] AA:[00] AB:[00] AC:[00] AD:[00] AE:[00] AF:[00]
B0:[80] B1:[00] B2:[00] B3:[00] B4:[20] B5:[00] B6:[00] B7:[00]
B8:[00] B9:[00] BA:[10] BB:[00] BC:[20] BD:[10] BE:[8A] BF:[00]

##--- Date 02/23/2003, Time 08:36:33


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Dan....

...I think I've got a headache coming on... ...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

huh

huh

Hi Craig...!
...you beat me to it mate...
I am still as confused as you are... ...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England....down a bit from Scotland...)...LOL...!

What resolution are you running at? I don't mean the resolution in Windows, I mean in FS2002.

To find out, in FS2002, go to settings, then display, then click the hardware tab. There will be a list box and each item has three numbers in. I run at 1280 x 1024 x 32 (the highest setting for my monitor) and I get framerates of 15 - 30 (all sliders maxed). If I reduce this to 640 x 480 x 16, I get framerates of 120ish. If your framerates are that high, you can afford to increase the resolution.

FS2002 is set at 1024x768x32,
do you think I should change?

Hi Delta...!
My frame rates, (10 to 30), are at 1024 X 768 X 32, ...3/4 to max settings.!
...98 FPS seems like out-of-this-world.... ....!
...definately a Cray Super-Computer, or two... ...!
LOL...!

Cheers...
Paul.
(England).

That's flipping scary!!!

Yikes, I would do anything to get a hold of frames like that!  I have a P3 766MHz, 576Mb of Ram, Geforce 4 64Mb card, Win XP, and I still only get less than 10 frames, with the scenery settings on 3/4 with the bloody traffic off!  With the cessna.  I can't believe you need a top of the range computer to be able to even have the settings on full, all I want is 20-30 frames with all the settings on full with the meljet 772/3 from spot view, since the human eye can only detect 25-30fps, I would suggest you limit your frames to around 35, then the computer can concentrate on flight dinamics and stuff, so you get better aircraft performance and the computer doesn't worry about the graphics too much, but since you're getting such bloody excellent frames, it wouldn't really matter.  Enjoy them.

Greg

Unbelievable - I hope this isn't a "put-on" just to stress me out.     I have a reasonable set-up myself and seem to pull about the same F/rates as Fozzer etc.

However, when I was a total newbie, with a brand-new FlightSim, before I joined this forum and learned how to download mega stuff, I used to get better rates also.

A standard Meigs airport, before enhancement, being approached by a standard Microsoft cessna, is a far cry from todays approach in my newest re-built DC3 with many MB's of additional improvements.

I just added ex RAF airfield Brize Norton (Fozzer would know it well) and that just about puts my Pentium into reverse.

I get about 20-25 fps with all settings full, but like bazza, I think it's slower then it used to be, but that may have something to do with my FS2002 directory being almost 10 gigs

Talk about Pentium envy.    

I got a AMD1.8, 512PC2100, and a Radeon DV (orignal ol' school card, sight).  Getting ave. 18-20 with slider max at 1280x1024 resolution.  Time for an upgrade.

-Crater

I get 5-17 fps with everything in the max 1280x1024 but with 4xFSAA i have to run 1024x768 or get 4 to 12 fps

I thought I would join in here. I run the archaic Winblows 98, and at Meigs field with all sliders maxed I do get 30 fps. AI is set to 70%. My system specs are: XP 1800; 256 mb PC 2700; Gigabyte GA7VX motherboard; Visiontek GeForce 3 Ti 200 audigy gamer sound card/5.1 sound system. I guess I'm lucky to get these frame rates!
Some of you guys in this string are running half decent systems. Have you checked your aperature size for the AGP? I did some experimenting, and if I set my aperature to 64mb, my frame rates dropped to 20. I then set it to 256, the amount of RAM I have-still 20. Set it back to 128, went up to 30. So, if you haven't, try some experimenting with the aperature size. As you can see, 10 extra fps for switching it back to 128! That's a pretty big difference, but all systems are different.