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I love hip-hop, yet when rappers use a nice song to help a good rap a great song, it seems rock fans become enraged, but isn't that what you do by downloading planes? Using someone elses plane (song) to make your simming experience (your song) even better....

Hip-Hop/Rap was cool just until the mid-nineties when it all became too commercial.
Nowadays,they're just annoying.

its that th r&B guys don't write or perform thier own music because due to a lack of skill yet generally fail to give credit to whatever had been sampled

I am fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) old enough to remember the origins of Hip Hop.

It was originally an extremely skilled art form produced by proper DJs. They adctually mixed samples live from records (you know them round black things that came before CDs). It took patience and time to master these skills .... not a computer and a CD burner. Most of these DJs actually worked in clubs using decks and a set of headphonesand were a pleasure to watch.

Hip Hop these days is just commercial pap produced by overpaid ... well I can't call them artists who havent seen a record in their lives .

There's my RANT

cheres
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I personally like hip-hop. What i find funny about the genre like most music, people find it good till or find an artist good, wishing they could hit the big time and then when they or it does, then people loose interest because they have "sold out". I saw it with metallica fans a few years back, they all were going on about how they wernt getting exposure like they should, then when they recorded a song for a wrestler and the fans came in by the 1000's asking how they could get the older albums and so on the fans already there wouldnt stop riding these guys saying they wernt real fans because they hadnt followed them for years. I just think like most music fans they want to feel like they were the first to know who they were and they want to think they are an exclusive club, as soon as it isnt the case thats it they wont be fans.

back to topic, its recognised the first band to make rap public were the sugar hill gang, and most in the rap/hip-hop(same thing) consider it one of the biggest songs of all time.

but isn't that what you do by downloading planes? Using someone elses plane (song) to make your simming experience (your song) even better....

Interesting way of putting it,

And the answer is yes.
If you mean that Some people download payware or other software and then crack it making it useable without pay

I love hip-hop,

 Me too, but not all of it.

Hip-Hop/Rap was cool just until the mid-nineties when it all became too commercial.
Nowadays,they're just annoying.

 The same thing has happened with metal, I don't listen to the local "heavy" station much because most of the newer metal bands sound like previous bands that have come and gone, it's hard to find any truly original sounds in the mainstream, I think it's because the masses don't like change or anything they don't understand.
 I am always searching the web for exotic music, and trust me, the coolest music is to be found on the internet, I like listening to foreign radio stations because to me it is unique, it takes a very open mind to take in all the different sounds that you can find.
 There is good Rap, Metal, Pop and even Country music not to mention all the other genres of sound, but like any other type of entertainment or media, you will have to sift through it to find what suits your individual preferences, chances are you will have to dig deep to find the really good stuff because mainstream radio and T.V. seems to have a knack for avoiding or ignoring the truly talented.

I think it is basically the new 'comercial era'. You get people with lots of coverage producing (in my opinion) not very good songs and getting a lot of money for it. I agree that people do like to listen to their own underground scene. I like listening to my soundgarden (and audioslave), Kyuss, NIN, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Mogwai, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Chemical Brothers, Aphex twin etc. But I think these people generally write good music.
I'm tired of the new age so called punk rockers like Busted and Mcfly (i don't get how you can write a song about 'Stacy's Mum'), I'm tired of the new fad of Nickelbackers, R & B isn't R & B (what happened to Martha Franklin), Rap, agreed, it does have a niche and in some cases is original, but again, its all commercialised. You see coverage of them driving around in limos singing about getting stoned and drinking with girls all over them, generally the only thing in the song is a beat, bass line and words. Pop, is it about the music or the girls, i dont get it. Probably the most commercial genre of music, especially when 2 songs, sung (not written) by the same person, use basically the same tune, originality? And need i say anything other than noise and screaming for Slipknot and the heavy heavy loud thrashing music written by people who wear masks, for what reason, i don't know. Not Meaning to be harsh, but what happened to originality and simple talent. I'm not into the music to see girls dancing around in bikinis etc. I think i'll stay underground for now.
I've noticed that most people who like the main stream music in my school, are all the 'groups' into fads and fashions. If i started talking to them about music I like, they probably tell me it's worthless and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole ever again. The people who listen to decent music are the ones i seem to actually be able to converse with about something other than 'that latest music video' and that 'hot rapper'. This just seems to be the image created.
I'm not trying to say this new age mainstream stuff is bad, I'm trying to say that if the artist has talent and ability, listen to them. If they've got a half nude body or fancy limos and houses to show off, good for them, that doesn't make their music good,
My 2 (sorry if harsh) pence.

I (like everyone else it seems) don't mind listening to REAL hip-hop (Sugar Hill Gang, 2 Live Crew, Run DMC, NWA and the likes) but NOT manufactured 'Hip-Pop'

Did 50 Pence , Lloyd Banks, Dizzee Rascal, Twista etc..... grow-up in the days when young men had little to do?
Do Beyonce or J-Lo really have it as bad as they make out?

Do any of those actually sing/rap about real sh*t? RARELY
Did NWA, Run DMC etc..... tell it like it was? REGULARLY

While I was cyber-surfing today, I looked around and found that VERY FEW of todays 'Hip-Pop' artists acknowledge the grand-daddies of the genre.

I agree with Craig on the Metallica issue, I'm one of those who get labelled as 'not real fans' because I wasn't there when they started in '83 - I'm like : Damn! gimme a break dude, I wasn't even born then!
And even listening to 'Metal' since I was 3 is 'hardcore' enough for some!

The problem is, ALL music becomes TOO commercial.
Who remembers the great (or not so great) years of groups like Europe, Spandau Ballet etc...?
Good(ish) music and not a single piece of 'Bling' in sight.
TALENTED artist + good song + simple video = HIT

Nowadays :
Some guy who raps fast + guns + drugs + half naked women + fast cars + bling + big name producer (Dre) = MEGAHIT

WHY? ? ?
I guess I'll never understand 'new' music

Cheers,

Carl out.....

Who remembers the great (or not so great) years of groups like Europe, Spandau Ballet etc...?
Good(ish)  music and not a single piece of 'Bling' in sight.
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That was back in the day where yes they had "bling" but the hair covered it all  ;D
The 80's I belive was the time of great music of all kinds, some bands still around some sold out to the suits and died and some making a comeback.
Back when MTV was a channel worth watching, got a chance to see a wide variety of bands playing a wide variety of music everything from Mttallica to Men At Work to Judas Priest to Cindy Lauper to Bow Wow Wow....

That was when you had a party on the weekend based around Headbangers ball, listened to the radio to hear music and new bands and new songs that the DJ wanted to play or the listener wanted to hear not what the suits said you could play, a time where at a party you could have the radio play your music without 45 minutes per hour dedicated to commercials,

Yes the 80's were great and I miss them dearly but thanks to my CD collection I can go back and rehash those fond memories whenever i want

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Whats wrong with Hip-Hop?

Stupid crap like this:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DL7Q81.html

Stupid crap like this:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DL7Q81.html

Standard Hip-Hop business. African-Americans with gunz and drugz.

Standard Hip-Hop business. African-Americans with gunz and drugz.

Stereotypes are a dangerous thing.

its that th r&B guys don't write or perform thier own music because due to a lack of skill

R&B must mean something compeletely different now to what it was back in my day - real music.
http://www.rhythmandtheblues.org.uk/pdhist.shtml

Maybe I'm an old fuddy-duddy but as a lover of live music of all types I can't say I ever liked any of this sampled nonsense.