Insult to rock

[Politically Incorrect]

Pete basically stated what I was going too.

Differance is Rock and Roll evolved from Blues, the new hip hop/dance whatever it is called isn't a evolution of any kind.
It is desecrating a song for profit.

The reason I feel strongly that there is a big differance from how Rock and Roll started, to what these self proclaim artist are doing is the fact that Rock and Roll became something of itself, it evolved.

A Rock Band that does a cover song does just that they take a previously written song and play it thier way (nine times out of ten royalties are paid to the writer), not much change from the original but maybe some of thier own style mixed in.

Hip Hop/ Dance takes parts of the original, repeat it, change the lyrics, etc and try to call it thier own. "The sound straight from the Hood"  I remember one rapper defining it.
Sorry but Led Zep or G&R or Ozzy for that matter are not the sounds from any "Hood" I've been in and I have been in a few.

Funny thing is that Hip Hop is getting so bad and they are trying so hard to make money they are now going Country! Whereas if they really were artist they wouldn't have to find another genre of music to tap from they would be evolving.

Most of these so called stars really give original rappers, the ones who started it all and really did have music all thier own, the likes of RunDMC, 2 Live Crew a bad name, they destroyed what did start as a original sound.

Keepin' it real!! Yeah right

[Wing Nut]

Ok, let me get this straight, you actually think Aerosmith paid royalties to remake 'Train Kept a Rollin' into heavy metal and they didn't change the song very much to do it?

[Politically Incorrect]

Ok, let me get this straight, you actually think Aerosmith paid royalties to remake 'Train Kept a Rollin' into heavy metal and they didn't change the song very much to do it?  What about 'When the Levee Breaks' by Zepplin?

Royalties are usually paid to the person that owns the "rights" to the song not always the artist. But at least in the above referances there is proper credit given to the original artist, and not to mention the way they were recreated by the bands is more of sharing a great song, memorializing if you will an artist, no where near the same as todays "artists". And the above artists never once tried to call the songs their own.

A prime example of this is Ledbelly (Huddie Ledbetter) who wrote and sang songs in the 20's.  Ledbelly is one of the fathers of Blues, if you can wrap yourself around THAT one.  ;)

Alabama Bound- Great songs on that!!

Face it, you're just being hypocritical here.  These new people are not doing anything different than our favorite bands did themselves.

Hypocritical, maybe if being based on by definition. But the "new people" are way off target and are doing everything different.
There is a huge differance in being "influanced" by another artist, that influance will reside in your music and can be heard in every song you make, you have then expanded on what the original artist did, sort of letting the original artist live on through music of your own.

The new music isn't based on any influance at all, it is based on taking whole or part of a original and slicing and dicing it into something they call thier own. The reason they do this is because they have no talent to write music of thier own, it in now way promotes, memorializes, or gives credit to the artist who made the original. It doesn't evolve into something bigger.

A great example of a song that influances and evolves is "Baby Please Don't Go"
Done by the above mentioned, and a lot of bands and I mean a lot have re-recorded this song, each with thier own style but yet keeping the song original. a tribute if you will to the original artist thus the song evolved into something bigger.

There isn't one hip hop/dance song that will be able to do that because there is no influance, just theft of a piece of music history to try to cash in on, and a disrespect to the original artist.

Hypocritical? Well then yes I am, but with valid reason to be. There is a differance
1) To re-do (cover) a song because it is a good song
2) To try to make a quick buck off someone elses work.
Pretty big differance I think!

These are my opinions,  we are all free to listen to what we want.

[Tequila Sunrise]

The new music isn't based on any influance at all, it is based on taking whole or part of a original and slicing and dicing it into something they call thier own. The reason they do this is because they have no talent to write music of thier own, it in now way promotes, memorializes, or gives credit to the artist who made the original. It doesn't evolve into something bigger.

my point exactly, theres a differnece between a cover and plagerism  8)

[Wing Nut]

Leadbelly songs remade by other artists...

Midnight Special - Creedance
The Gallows Pole - Led Zepplin
Midnight Rider - Allman Brothers
See See Rider - Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels
House of the Rising Sun - The Animals
Casey Jones - Joe Walsh

... and that's just after a few minutes of searching.  Now what do you think Leadbelly would say if he heard Zep's version of Gallows Pole or Mitch Ryder's SeeSee Ryder?

[Politically Incorrect]

 Now what do you think Leadbelly would say if he heard Zep's version of Gallows Pole or Mitch Ryder's SeeSee Ryder?

To be totally honest I think he would be honored knowing that someone found one of his songs so good they too wanted to record it and share it with others.

But if P.Diddle, 2 Puck etc redid one I think he would be ashamed because they wouldn't record his song but little snipits of it and re-dub it to death and change the lyrics.

It would then be Leadbellys song but not.

[Paz]

 I say if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

[Polynomial]

i thought the reggae/rastafarian version of "Smoke on the Water" was appaling. . .

[Wing Nut]

You guys have obviously never heard William Shatner (yes, Captain Kirk) sing 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' have you?  ::)

[Politically Incorrect]

You guys have obviously never heard William Shatner (yes, Captain Kirk) sing 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' have you?  ::)

That is AWESOME!! I have that tape somewhere I must find it!!  

[xFLAMESx]

The only one that really gets my goat is:

Vanilla Ice ripping THAT beat straight from the intro of a Queen song (I forget which one)

If we're gonna dig at Hip-Hop artists, we might aswell dig at some of the newer 'metal' artists too.

Marilyn Manson : Tainted Love
Orgy : You Spin Me Round
Korn : Word Up

Although these are covers - none of them IMO are an improvement on the originals.

Or even BLUE (British Pop-Crap) ripping the beat for their "new" song, Curtain Falls straight from Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise.

Other than that, I don't really care too much.

I LIKED P.Diddy and Jimmy Page's "Come With Me"

But hey, everyone has they're own tastes.

Cheers,

Carl out.....

[Tequila Sunrise]

the quenn track was "Under preasure", that one really gets me because it cost me a free drink in spain  ::), name this song, dum dum dum da da dum dum , dum dum dum da da dum dum, dum dum dum da da dum dum da.... naturally I say quenn under preasure... sorry sone its vanilla ice  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I saw him or his manager or someone doing an interview on VH-1 a while back claiming it was  different riff:
"Queens goes: "Dum dum dum da da dum dum", ours goes "Dum dum dum dada dum dum"..." anyone spot the difference  :P

Craig  8)

[ATI_7500]

Wasn't that Queen and David Bowie?