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Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:26 am
by Travis
Check out this Guardian article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/ ... xploration

Should they or shouldn't they?

Discuss . . .

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:43 am
by Alejandro Rhodes
the big question being discussed in anticipation of recreating the first split-second of the universe is whether the risk involved - of generating a mini black hole or a strangelet particle that could eat the Earth and everything beyond - is worth it.



::)this is an opinion discussion ..right?

Its absurd , they are just trying to join in a fraction of millisecond to recreate the early stage of the universe in something as size of a quark (Million times smaller than an atom..

to find the Z particle , ,So far these experiment being done many times before ,they are trying to see if all the four forces of nature where united in the early stages of the creation in a single force called Z

last decade they achieve  enough probes that 2 seconds latter after the Big bang the baby universe have a single force, strong and weak nuclear forces ,Gravity, electromagnetism where once ONE single force (Z) ...

this article is absurd , this was copy exacly from a movie I saw(is in Spiderman 2 too :D) ,its too small , the reaction and desity (infinity perhaps)will last a fractions of a millisecond..and I'm sure will be in the same french particle  accelerator....  

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:14 pm
by Fozzer
Quote:
All that might change when the Large Hadron Collider is switched on; but, as Michio Kaku outlined, the big question being discussed in anticipation of recreating the first split-second of the universe is whether the risk involved - of generating a mini black hole or a strangelet particle that could eat the Earth and everything beyond - is worth it.
End quote.

Yep...

..go on...

Give it a go... ;)..!

With the current price of Petrol and the ever-increasing cost of my shopping for dinner every day...

I reckon its time to start all over again... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...!

Paul...Got my fingers in my ears, ready...5...4...3...2...1...GO!... :)...!

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:25 pm
by Hagar
I reckon its time to start all over again... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...!

Paul...Got my fingers in my ears, ready...5...4...3...2...1...GO!... :)...!

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:o Oh well. Back to the drawing board. :D

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:28 pm
by a1
All good things must end. I don't really care much about what will happen to the universe as it is out of our control most of the time.

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:55 pm
by Travis
BUT:

IF there is a possibility that something could go wrong (black hole physics are still porely understood),

AND

IF there is even the slightest chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe,

THEN

We have a moral responsibility to not endanger that life to ANY degree.

I'm not too worried about us destroying the Earth.

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:04 pm
by Mushroom_Farmer
It might make a good Red Dwarf episode though.  ;D

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:59 pm
by Alejandro Rhodes
BUT:

IF there is a possibility that something could go wrong (black hole physics are still porely understood),

AND

IF there is even the slightest chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe,

THEN

We have a moral responsibility to not endanger that life to ANY degree.

I'm not too worried about us destroying the Earth.  After all, we would only have ourselves to blame.

But how would you feel if someone out there did the exact same thing and it destroyed Earth?



1) the universe Is fill with life that's a fact ,no matter if we have no way  to see it or detect it ,No buddy has even a clue of its dimension (Size)
beyond the word huge ..

2) Distance among stars are beyond too our comprenhention , neither if some of those aliens could travel (This is impossible, nothing can travel at the speed of the light(relative speed) ,if it would Its mass would become Infinite and there is not infinite matter in the whole universe) but lets assume they have a "magic " space ship they would have to take more than a life to make a travel just to find out they are in the middle of two stars ,the closest one with they depart..

Tunel Eistein-rossen(worm holes) was a theory to try to understand a quamtum mecanic problem, today is well know they absolutely don't exist..

Yes the earth could be destroy ,but in the next 5.000.000.000 year ,swaloowed by Our dear Sun ;)

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:12 pm
by Travis
100 years ago, a weapon that could level an entire city was more than likely incomprehensible.  The only things that could do that were natural.  Until 1945.

The human race succeeded in doing what only nature had been able to do prior to that.

And it all would have been thought impossible fifty years before that.

I'm sure you're aware that science opinion changes frequently, and with varied results.  If it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that we won't be making a weapon that could potentially wipe out all life on this planet, I wouldn't have any problem with it.  But until then, I will continue to say that it's a bad idea.

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:53 am
by beaky
What's all this about large colliding hardons?  :-/  :D


This reminds me of the fact that many of the scientists involved in the first detonation of an atom bomb had serious concerns that the entire atmosphere of the Earth might get involved in the chain reaction (which would uh, be kinda bad)...but of course couldn't resist seeing if they could pull it off, in the name of Science.

Talk about hubris!!  ::)

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:27 am
by Fozzer
It might make a good Red Dwarf episode though.  ;D


..... ;D...!

Post of the Day!... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif].... ;D...!

...and it may rid the Universe of those troublesome Borg out there... ::)...!

Paul....always up for a big bang!... ;)...!

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:47 am
by H
Tunel Eistein-rossen(worm holes) was a theory to try to understand a quamtum mecanic problem, today is well know they absolutely don't exist..
...but they have existed... when I was a child I bit off half of two apples from under one of our apple trees. Danged if I didn't find half a worm hole in each... and one had the front end of a worm, the other the rear end. I shoved the two apple halves together and, instantly, an apple with a wormhole.
Of course, I'd swallowed the other halves of the worms.. so now you know why there's a little Image in me...
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8-)

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:19 am
by Fozzer
Tunel Eistein-rossen(worm holes) was a theory to try to understand a quamtum mecanic problem, today is well know they absolutely don't exist..
...but they have existed... when I was a child I bit off half of two apples from under one of our apple trees. Danged if I didn't find half a worm hole in each... and one had the front end of a worm, the other the rear end. I shoved the two apple halves together and, instantly, an apple with a wormhole.
Of course, I'd swallowed the other halves of the worms.. so now you know why there's a little Image in me...
Image


8-)


It was difficult trying to worm that information out of you!... :o...!

Paul... ;D...!

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:21 am
by TacitBlue
I'm not terribly worried about it. If they do create a black hole that swallows the earth, then we would never know what hit us anyway. ::)

Also, I'm ar from being an expert on this sort of thing, but it just seems extremely unlikely that anything like that will happen.

(P.S. I no longer have access to MS word and its spell checker, so ignore the mistakes)

Re: Mini-black holes and strangelets, oh my!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:31 am
by Alejandro Rhodes
They are not doing any black hole for the loving of God  :o,They are not doing a weapon like in 1945  they are recreating the same energy the universe was at 10-43 seconds of the instance the universe was created ..by colliding matter and antimatter particles..I'm in a 4th world country and with all the issues that we have ,I want to know the results ,if the early stage of the universe had a single force Z
why did they split?, where did antimatter goes? :-? and what is that 70% of the universe black strange matter IS? and Why Women are like that?

and Paul the man actually went to the moon until apolo 17 was canceled :P :P :P

and "H" ROLF  ;D