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Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:36 pm
by dcunning30
I found this article interesting.  I'm not a baseball fan, but I've been casually following the Barry Bonds controversy.  This story has nothing to do with steroids.  Notice the thing he has on his arm circled in red, then read the article.  Also, in one of the pics, you can see how he's bulked up.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp ... 1003621797

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Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:42 pm
by Craig.
wow, talk about stretching now. I guess these writers can see that little will come from the steroid scandal on him, so they have to find something else to put this in to doubt.
Steroids or not, it takes a lot more than just muscles to hit that many home runs. Things like form and timing which cant be influenced by steroids. You always hear these writers saying, oh records are meant to be broken, but the second they are, its nothing but b*tching.

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:47 pm
by dcunning30
wow, talk about stretching now. I guess these writers can see that little will come from the steroid scandal on him, so they have to find something else to put this in to doubt.
Steroids or not, it takes a lot more than just muscles to hit that many home runs. Things like form and timing which cant be influenced by steroids. You always hear these writers saying, oh records are meant to be broken, but the second they are, its nothing but b*tching.



Something tells me that you either didn't read the article, or you didn't read it too carefully.

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:53 pm
by Craig.
I did read it, however I had to wear an elbow brace in the past, which is what he is wearing regardless of its design, they are awkward, heavy and actually restrict movement. It's designed to stop the guy hyperextending his elbow. I can see where this guy might think losing a good portion of movement is helpful but hey, i've never played baseball properly. ::)

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:57 pm
by NDSP
wow, talk about stretching now. I guess these writers can see that little will come from the steroid scandal on him, so they have to find something else to put this in to doubt.
Steroids or not, it takes a lot more than just muscles to hit that many home runs. Things like form and timing which cant be influenced by steroids. You always hear these writers saying, oh records are meant to be broken, but the second they are, its nothing but b*tching.



Form no... but timing could be a hell of a lot easier when your bat feels like a twig. When you have a light bat, say 30inches by 19 oz, you tend not to hit the ball as far, but can have better timing because the bat is quicker around the plate, on the other hand, a bigger bat, say a 34inch 30 oz bat, you cant swing it as hard as the light bat, but the ball travels farther when you make contact. When your juiced, no matter what the bat, its going to feel light and you'll be able to hit the ball hard and far.

The elbow thing seems a bit... cheesy. That doesnt seem like something to accuse him for because many players use elbow or shin guards.

Nick

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:07 pm
by Craig.
But your missing my point, its knowing when to swing the bat, yes I know being stronger means its easier to swing it harder and faster and so on. The key thing is knowing when to swing it and where to swing it that are rather important to hitting a home run. I'm not debating the fact he's done roids. I just think in this case, the writers really grasping at straws.

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:21 pm
by dcunning30
I just think in this case, the writers really grasping at straws.


But what do you think about the author's assertion that during the home run contest, Bonds didn't perform as well, which happens to be the same time he didn't wear the arm brace?  Was that merely a coincidence?

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:39 pm
by NDSP
I just think in this case, the writers really grasping at straws.


But what do you think about the author's assertion that during the home run contest, Bonds didn't perform as well, which happens to be the same time he didn't wear the arm brace?  Was that merely a coincidence?



Actually, it very easily could have been. Many power hitters don't do well in home run derbies, but less powerfull hitters like Bobby Abreu or David Wright do fine. Look at Ryan Howard, one year he was the Home Run king, but the next he only hit 1 home run and was eliminated in the first round.

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:43 pm
by Craig.
because like all these allstar type things, what you get from the guys in a regular game is completely differant, Look at the NHL allstar game, goalies like Kipparasoff let in barely 2 goals a game, yet go into the all star game and its 6 goals in a period. Top guys just dont put 100% into these things. It's a chance as ndsp said for the guys you'd not think so much of to come out and shine.

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:17 pm
by H
Form no... but timing could be a hell of a lot easier when your bat feels like a twig. When you have a light bat, say 30inches by 19 oz, you tend not to hit the ball as far, but can have better timing because the bat is quicker around the plate, on the other hand, a bigger bat, say a 34inch 30 oz bat, you cant swing it as hard as the light bat, but the ball travels farther when you make contact. When your juiced, no matter what the bat, its going to feel light and you'll be able to hit the ball hard and far.
[color=#003300]It depends upon what you're classifying under 'form', since that's what I put one's stance under. As a coach for a women's softball team, I taught them how to change their stance to change the direction of thier hit as well as swing early or late (ergo, a timing adjust) for the same effect. Combining these can often fool the opposing team to believe you're intending to hit in the direction your facing, while your swing actually pulls it the other way. The speed and angle of the pitch also affects this.
When I played, I rarely failed to get a base hit and never really tried to pound one way out there (the 2

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:30 am
by DONTREADMYUSERNAME
Don't worry bout "Bonds' tainted record", In 8-10 years, A-rod will crush the record! (as a yankee of course)  ;D ;D

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:46 am
by BAW0343
I really don't care how he breaks it, and I don't think that elbow brace affects it. I have one of Bonds old baseball cards and am really hoping him breaking the record makes the card worth something extra ;)

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:11 am
by DONTREADMYUSERNAME
Well he just broke it yesterday.....





LETS GO AROD! LETS GO! WOO WOO!

LETS GO AROD! LETS GO! WOO WOO!

;D

Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:30 pm
by dcunning30
Doh!

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Re: Barry Bonds other 'help'

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:12 pm
by NDSP
Form no... but timing could be a hell of a lot easier when your bat feels like a twig. When you have a light bat, say 30inches by 19 oz, you tend not to hit the ball as far, but can have better timing because the bat is quicker around the plate, on the other hand, a bigger bat, say a 34inch 30 oz bat, you cant swing it as hard as the light bat, but the ball travels farther when you make contact. When your juiced, no matter what the bat, its going to feel light and you'll be able to hit the ball hard and far.
[color=#003300]It depends upon what you're classifying under 'form', since that's what I put one's stance under. As a coach for a women's softball team, I taught them how to change their stance to change the direction of thier hit as well as swing early or late (ergo, a timing adjust) for the same effect. Combining these can often fool the opposing team to believe you're intending to hit in the direction your facing, while your swing actually pulls it the other way. The speed and angle of the pitch also affects this.
When I played, I rarely failed to get a base hit and never really tried to pound one way out there (the 2