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At the risk of being controversial, I could have told them this idea was a waste of time if they'd taken the trouble to ask. What's the matter with these people? Surely if I can see that so can anyone else. ::) How many more innocent people have to suffer before they get that into their heads? Things like this make me so mad.

'Mistakes' admission over killer  

A youth offending team in charge of monitoring a teenager later convicted of murdering a jeweller has admitted "certain mistakes" were made.
Probation inspectors said Peter Williams, 19, repeatedly breached his curfew order yet little was done.

Marian Bates, 64, was gunned down in her family shop in Arnold, Nottingham, in September 2003.

The city's youth offending team said a decision could have been made earlier that he had breached the order.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/4257884.stm

There is talking about these kind off situations too here in Holland. Not exactly about youngsters but about more "Mature" killers on parole. It has gonme wrong quite a lot recently..Sad Sad cases...

I've got two uncles and two cousins working in the prison service, and they said tagging is slightly less use than a chocolate oven glove....
A waste of tax-payers money, and only trusted and believed in by pinko subversive sociology students who believe sending criminals on holiday to exotic countries will teach them to mend their ways

What is this about "tagging"?

'Mistakes' admission over killer  
 
A youth offending team in charge of monitoring a teenager later convicted of murdering a jeweller has admitted "certain mistakes" were made.  
Probation inspectors said Peter Williams, 19, repeatedly breached his curfew order yet little was done.  

Marian Bates, 64, was gunned down in her family shop in Arnold, Nottingham, in September 2003.  

The city's youth offending team said a decision could have been made earlier that he had breached the order.

What a nice young man..  >:(..

What is this about "tagging"?

They put a chip or a braclet around or in your leg, so they know where you are at all times..  :o.. they know if your in your house come curfue time.. or if your in the pub having a nice pint..

And birds go Tweet.
Why they didn't see this coming I dont know. How is an ankle bracelet that goes beep every now and again supposed to stop someone. Hell even Martha Stewart managed to get it off her ankle.

If they want to use this stupid idea maybe it would be better to take a lesson from the jailers in the Middle Ages. Put the darned bracelet around their necks, a nice tight reinforced steel one locked with a welding torch. Let's see them get out of that. ::) While they're about it they could weld a ball & chain round their ankles, both ankles & the heavier the ball the better. Then put them in the stocks & let people throw rotten vegetables at them, preferably with rocks concealed inside them. It's time to stop pussyfooting around.

If they want to use this stupid idea maybe it would be better to take a lesson from the jailers in the Middle Ages. Put the darned bracelet around their necks, a nice tight reinforced steel one locked with a welding torch. Let's see them get out of that. ::) While they're about it they could weld a ball & chain round their ankles, both ankles & the heavier the ball the better. Then put them in the stocks & let people throw rotten vegetables at them, preferably with rocks concealed inside them. It's time to stop pussyfooting around.

Health and safety would never allow it.
The jailer might burn himself during welding

And birds go Tweet.
Why they didn't see this coming I dont know. How is an ankle bracelet that goes beep every now and again supposed to stop someone. Hell even Martha Stewart managed to get it off her ankle.

Well, Martha (short for "Marthastopheles") is diabolically clever. She can make a truffle souffle out of earwax and sawdust, and redecorate your house with junk you have lying around while she's at it. She's not human.

"Eeevilll.... eeeevviillll..."

All kidding aside, I agree it's probably useless. Not too sure about the effectiveness of prison, either, but at least while they're in the clink, you know exactly where they are...

Well, Martha (short for "Marthastopheles") is diabolically clever. She can make a truffle souffle out of earwax and sawdust, and redecorate your house with junk you have lying around while she's at it. She's not human.

"Eeevilll.... eeeevviillll..."

LOL From what I'm told by acquaintances who have transgressed in the past you don't need to be a genius to slip out of one of these things. Habitual offenders have refined it into an art form & some give lessons in how to do it.

Unless they can figure out a way of making these bracelets impossible to remove & also monitor them properly the whole idea seems pointless to me. I could have told them that when it was first suggested but they never bothered to ask.

All kidding aside, I agree it's probably useless. Not too sure about the effectiveness of prison, either, but at least while they're in the clink, you know exactly where they are...

I don't know the answer but I'm no expert in these matters. I suggest they need to think again, the sooner the better before some other innocent gets murdered by one of these creeps.

Doug you have got me on the wrong topic.......... quick before I explode into a lecture on law and morals!
Where's Katahu, I need a sedative!?

I have no objection to hearing your views on this subject Ben but it might be wiser to simply say nothing.

Ignoring my own advice I'll tell you what I think. Many of these daft ideas (my opinion) are proposed by people with high qualifications but very little, if any, experience of real life. All they had to do was visit my local greasy-spoon cafe & ask some real ordinary people what they think of it. People who work hard to make a living despite being handicapped by their stupid trendy theories at every turn. I would happily have treated them to breakfast while we had a chat. Of course, they're too arrogant to take any notice of what anyone else thinks.

Unfortunately I had to deal with this sort of person on an almost daily basis during my last years in the aviation industry. They have no experience of the industry at all & stick rigidly to the rule book. This the main reason I accepted early retirement when it was offered as I could no longer cope with their petty attitudes. Many of my contemporaries felt the same & got out as soon as they could. The industry is rapidly being taken over by these people like most other organisations, including quality assurance, health & safety & the police force to name but a few. This is the cause of many social & industrial problems we're faced with today. Anyone with a little common-sense & experience of real life will tell you that.

PS. Don't get me started on the subject of human rights. They conveniently forget that I have human rights too.

I could start up... (but as you advise I better not - good advice ), but basically when it costs the same amount to house 1 criminal in a prison the same as in the Ritz hotel they tend to prefer to let them out at every available means. These things are great in their proper place, but as an alternative to prison - no.
The prisons are so full that they are overcrowded and the conditions are becoming almost a breach of human rights due to too little space. It is now getting to the point where they are being housed in police cells and magistrates are desperate for alternative sentencing. What could work on less hardened criminals is useless for the determined and wicked. They don't like using these and it is upsetting for everyone, but when crime is so prevelant what can you do?

If the laws of the 1920's were to be implemented now it is a fact that a huge majority of Britain's young would be in jail.

What would you suggest Doug? Remember the Human Rights Acts basically cannot be repealed now.

I hate saying this, but basically as everything stands it will all get much worse, much much worse and the police/judiciary system has basically died.

What would you suggest Doug? Remember the Human Rights Acts basically cannot be repealed now.

As I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is but then I'm no expert in these matters. There are people far more qualified than me to sort out this mess, hopefully not the trendy types I mentioned but experienced people who live in the real world.

As I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is but then I'm no expert in these matters. There are people far more qualified than me to sort out this mess, hopefully not the trendy types I mentioned but experienced people who live in the real world.  Personally, I couldn't care less about the so-called human rights of these creeps. If the prisons are overcrowded then build some more. Meanwhile, pack them in as tightly as necessary. They wouldn't be there if they were decent human beings.

As for being impossible to repeal this Human Rights nonsense, impossible is not a concept I'm familiar with. Rules were made to be broken & the sooner we get rid of this ill-considered legislation the better. IMHO of course.

I am all the way there with you Doug, but you just can't build prisons like this! They cost millions and millions. House too many prisoners together and they kill each other or become a security danger (both quite obvious I know), but it isn't until you read about being a guard then you realise that the criminals run the prison and riots are quelled by continual bribing. Some prisons at night are literally dangerous to work in.

To come out of the Human Rigths Act (which I'm all for) is not really possible without the collapse of the EU and the UN or a revolution in Britain. Neither are likely.