poor ignorant people!

[Omag 2.0]

... I must refrain from using some very harsh language here, cause I feel so outraged! Before I start about what's bugging me... let me say this isn't meant to be about the "R"[size=0.5]eligion[/size] word.. though there is a link...

Yesterday evening... national television... documentary about morals surrounding teenagers and sexual intercourse... the stage... deep within the Bible-belt, Texas, usa.. ( again, this can happen everywhere in almost any culture or religion)

Thousands of innocent teenage kids beeing indoctrinated... Grown-ups tell them pre-marriage sex is the root of all evil...  I couldn't believe my eyes!

1) These kids don't get no decent sexual education until they are ready to marry!

2) They are brainwashed that a natural thing like sexual interest is wrong...

3) they end up feeling all thorn up about there feelings

4) they are somewhat forced to take a pledge of abstinence!

5) they are thought that sex may be affiliated with some dangers, but the "teacher" withhold vital information about the ways to protect yourself against those dangers, even by telling pure lies about them

6) They are told that having pre-marial sex leads to a life full of lust and dangours

and than they expect these people to develop in normal human beeings with stable emotions...

Tell me what happens if these people do marry and all restraints fall away? Does it become one big orgy? Or are they scared for life, always feeling bad about perfectly normal feelings and emotions? And what about those "teachers" themselves... how do they handle there sexual life on a daily basis?

Good, I felt actually sick afterwards...

I've grown up in a normal family, where everything could be talked about. I've had enough vital information on the subject to be able to make my own mind up, and to act according my feeling about what's right.

Don't get me wrong, if teenagers choose to live this way, I don't mind. But at least give them the information on both sides. Teach them how you see it, but also how other cultures see things like this. Allow them to make there own dissions! Afterall.. we live in the 21th century for crying out loud!

Ok, it's a heavy subject, I know... But I just don't understand the blatant ignorance that's out there...


Omag... very worried about the world right now...

[Craig.]

While i have nothing against waiting for marriage. the thing that bothers me about all this, is how they teach, that you'll catch some std if you have sex before marriage but you'll be fine once your married. Its that lack of intelligence in the teaching that scares me.

[Hyperion2]

Parents raising their children with a set of values determined by the parents?

[Omag 2.0]

Hmmm...

Ok Hype, I see your point... maybe the other culture thing was a bad way of putting it. I mean, sure it's okay for parents to teach there children there views on things... any caring parent will do so... But any realistic parent will also know there are other views, and will not hide or ignore them. They will explain why they see things a certain way. But not under social pressure!

Take drugs... My parents told me to stay away from it. In school we learned what they were and what could be the consequences... without lies.

This made me able to make my own mind up about drugs, and I stayed away from it... It was my free choice! You can't just say it's forbidden without any form of reason why such a thing is bad! But don't lie about it is what I say.

Once again, I believe in free choice! To me, beeing able to make my own choices is a vital part of growing up.

If you say you live a certain way, cause you believe it's right after carefull consideration, I can only support you in that.

Omag

edit: and the flavor stuff shows what happens if the other part of the equasion is left out. Beeing to liberal isn't good either. I agree on that. Thta's why we need both sides to be teached.

[Hyperion2]

But how can you honestly say that the reason you stayed away from drugs (to use your example) is solely because you heard both sides?  Couldn't it be that one side was enough to unconsciously make up your mind?

Truth be told, you only heard one side of it, you just heard the same side from two different sources in this particular example.

Had you talked to someone who was of the belief that drugs were good, then you might have a different perspective.

I'm fairly confident that the examples used in the program you saw were very extreme and agenda driven, much like rest of the media...keep that in mind.

[Omag 2.0]

Hmmm.... better start brushing up my debating-skills...  ;D

Right, I see we won't be going anywhere, you and I, wich isn't bad at all... It's 2 views...

I agree the media likes to take out extremes and make us believe those are mainstream. But in this case the source was quite neutral to me... They interviewed both sides and allowed them to explain their views...

One particullar moment struck me... A mother and daughter returned after the girl signed her pledge of abstinence. The very first reaction the mother had was: " I am so glad she took the pledge" immediately followed by " but if she can't keep the promiss, we'll always be there for her".

This showed me a glimmer of hope. The fact that the mother understood the difficult time her daughter would be going trough... and that she'd be supportive! The daughter became angry with her because she even mentioned it, but I guess she's blessed with such a parent.

I just hope everyone get to have the chance to see outside the box, even for just one moment. To establish what is "real" for them... That's my deepest wish.

[Hyperion2]

Kudos to you Omag...I always enjoy talking about "mature" subjects as these with you because you keep it civil, you keep it mature, and you keep it fair.  Well done.

[Omag 2.0]

See, the best thing about little discussions like these, is that they give you new viewpoints, that make you review your own ideas! That's the whole purpose of it!  :)

.. . and I can be quite uncivil... just poke me long enough... if you have the stamina... some collegues at work are stretching it... hence the discussion mood... But I do feel better now!  ;D

[Hyperion2]

Hey if I can go up against the almighty Omag and come out of it with a draw, I'll take that!

[Omag 2.0]

Since when did I become almighty? ...  ???  ::)  ;D

[Souichiro]

[quote]Since when did I become almighty? ...

[Triple_7]

I too am a little worried about the world right now.  More then a few things are out of whack

Being 3 months away from my 18th b-day I know exactly where you are coming from, been there lived that.

Luckly I was ahead of all this nonsence.  I've never had to go threw the whole talks and other junk.  Growing up in a house with 3 women I'm glad I didn't.  My mother let me figure things out on my own and make my own decisions.  And though I do a lot of things that are "not right" by the book that she wouldnt be happy with, if something happens then its my place to tell her and not hers to pry into my life.  

Personaly I feel like todays younger kids are too sheltered.  They dont seem to know how to deal with problems because their parents do it for them.  Kid gets hurt by another on the playground and its instant lawsuit.  My elementary years that would have just been a little thing called "growin up."  

Schools may teach what sex is but they dont seem to teach anything about the consiquence of not using protection...(way to many pregnet girls at my school)  

Just like they drill into kids heads that drinking is bad...Never did say anything about why.  I have to admit...I'm not quite 18 and I drink and smoke...But I NEVER drink and drive...I have a friend whos 18 and accualy owns his own little house outside of town.  Every friday night everyone goes out there, we get a bonfire going, and tap a keg.  Someone usualy brings something stronger as well.  But nobody leaves till the next morning.  Theres one rule "dont care what you do here but if you EVER drive out of here drunk don't plan on coming back"  Mother knows I drink and I smoke...But she also told me that its my decision and though she doesnt approve, I just cant do it around her.

Best way to put things is...Not to shelter kids so much.  They may be young now...But let me tell ya...Real world cometh fast.  17.5 years flew by.  Senior year is a 1 1/2 months away.  There is a lot coming and its not a time to be dealing with the small isues such as sex, drinking, smoking, drugs, etc.  Around here if your this old and havent been around the block a few times, havent drank or smoked, or had one joint...Then your doing pretty @#$% good, and congradulations.

Older teens should not have to feel like they need to back away from everything because its "evil" or "wrong."  Long as your smart about it then it shouldn't be a major isue.  Relaxing and kicking back a few cold ones with friends doesnt mean your going to go to hell.  But dont drive afterwards and dont drink excessive amounts.  Pre-marrage sex is the same way...Shouldnt be made such a huge isue...If your smart about it then I dont see a problem.
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Blah...Rambled off a book again  Just too involved with these things because its so dumb yet its becoming more and more common :-/