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This kind of crap is why cloning is getting such a bad rap.  These guys ought to be put out of business...  >:(

http://www.local6.com/news/3791494/detail.html

This is very troubling to me.  I find that now it is almost inevitable that cloning will become extremely popular in the larger world of animals, including racing of animals.  Especially horse racing.

Imagine a world where the greatest animals ever produced were cloned and recloaned, every time they died.  It would eliminate all such interest in the sport.  It would no longer be a sport, but a contest between who has the most money and research time.

And then it should slowly seep into the human sports, too.  A football player destroys a knee, they clone the part and replace it.  A baseball player kills an arm and they replace it.  Their careers would go on for decades and it would again all come down to who had the most money to research and replace.

A crass and sad world we have become . . .

i have never understood the cloning pets thing. I know people try to say well at least when you loose your pet it will still be there, but that just isnt the case, over time a person might be able to convince themself that its the original, but hey they then have to go through even more pain when it dies, loosing a close pet once is tough enough, to then loose it twice.
Ender also has a valid point.

This is an ethical issue. I'm not convinced that cloning should be allowed at all, never mind for something as pointless as this. The same goes for all "genetic engineering". The procedures are far from perfect yet & there's no telling what problems will be encountered, maybe in many years from now. Mother Nature has a habit of fighting back & you mess with her at your peril. Unfortunately, once Pandora's Box has been opened there's no way of closing it.

i have never understood the cloning pets thing. I know people try to say well at least when you loose your pet it will still be there, but that just isnt the case, over time a person might be able to convince themself that its the original, but hey they then have to go through even more pain when it dies, loosing a close pet once is tough enough, to then loose it twice.

I can understand some pet owners wanting to replace a much-loved pet. If cloning is this easy they can simply clone another replacement when the new one dies, ad infinitum. They might have to get used to losing the replacements more regularly. Remember Dolly the sheep? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2764039.stm
They might also be disappointed when they find the clone has a completely different personality to the original. I don't see why they can't get another animal in the traditional way, maybe give a home to a stray. There's already far too many unwanted pets around as it is.

This is an ethical issue. I'm not convinced that cloning should be allowed at all, never mind for something as pointless as this. The same goes for all "genetic engineering". The procedures are far from perfect yet & there's no telling what problems will be encountered, maybe in many years from now. Mother Nature has a habit of fighting back & you mess with her at your peril. Unfortunately, once Pandora's Box has been opened there's no way of closing it.

You mess with nature, and nature will mess with you.
I totally agree Doug.

But I add the following:
Twins, so lets say two brothers, share the same genetic make up. I know and so do you people that are twins. Aren't they different? Are they the same in character?
No, totally different.

Why?

Well they're whole character is influenced by what environment they are in, what culture, what amount of care/love they are showed, who they mix with and at a personal level wht they experience of life and how they interpret those experiences.
Therefore clonng CANNOT produce identical pets. It can give the same colour, fur, shape, size, but what I care about with my pets is if they are tame, i.e their character.
These pet owners will be in for a shock when Bonzo the dog is the opposite from their healthy, obedient, clever, retired disceased police dog.  

Cloning pets is getting the money out of the public to fund such scandals as Human cloning. If you were the embryo - would you want to have been made for Human experiments? To be fine for 35 years - then die of some unknown cause related to cloning? Then in the 35 years of celebration by the so called scientists another 10 000  people are cloned and face a similar end?

Just a few thougts. Hope they make sense.

Ben

Mess with nature and something horrible is going to happen, oops its already happened! The Boy Bands are here

LMAO @Boy bands  ;D

This thread reminds me of the film 6th Day (I think thats what it was called)

Now I wouldn't mind it seeping to the NHS instead of the sports field, i.e. if someone loas an arm in a car accident or somthing.  I am not comfortable yet with the idea of cloning a whole human though.

Its probably normal that people are afraid of new technologies.  Heck, my grandmother insists that if people were meant to fly god would have given them wings!

Chris the Air Force do give people wings, normally on the left breast of their uniform
Does this mean the a Wing Commander is in fact the right hand of God? All the ones I've met think they are

I think limits need to be placed on cloning but an outright ban is unneccessary. What if they could clone just a single organ like say your liver. If that organ gets damaged in some way, they could just clone a replacement and you'd be on your way. No fear of rejection. They figure they can do this using stem cells in people's fat. By the way you guys all sit and play FS all day, we're sitting on a gold mine.

Cloning an entire living being really has no practical purpose so why bother.

$50,000 for a cat?  It better barf up gold hairballs.

I think an outright ban is being called for here.  Cloning is a ridiculuos technology.  If all these anamolies can be predicted for a complete organism, why is it safe to assume they won't occur for an individual organ?  What is to say that miracle organ wont fail without reason in six months?

$50,000!!
Hell I have over 60 right now and I'll be more than happy to donate some for free!!!!

I don't see what is wrong with this! It is NOT YOUR CHOICE whether or not people can spend their money on this! Putting an outright ban on cloning would be just stupid!


Don't be so closed-minded! Have you ever considered that cloning could save many endangered species of animals?! Humans endanger many species of animals and sometimes drive them to extinction, why put a ban on a technology that might be able to save them from the idiots that over hunt them or destroy their habitats?!

Why?

Because humans are in search for perfection? But this is and will be impossible neither will there be a "perfect human" nor will there be anything else, which is perfect.
This may also explain why some people want to crate a human AI. This won't be possible either.

So why waisting money for it? Can't they do some better things?

Btw: I totally agree with you,Chomp.