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Some won't be interested in this at all, because it's Star Trek/Star Gate etc oriented, but do I look like I care???

 Sometimes you just have to suspend reality alittle bit to enjoy a sci-fi flick.

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Hi Bren, good to see ya again

same thing i have wondered many a time bren

In the TNG show where Ro and LaForge are put out of phase by a failed Romulon phasing clock experiment, they get round this by making a point of saying that it takes some effort to pass through an object.

I think the 'time and effort' only happened when they where being bombarded with some sort of 'particle' by Data. It was bringing them slightly back into phase.

G'day hawk and Craig. I was away for a bit. But I've been back, hanging around the History and Hardware forums for the last couple of weeks.

I'm a bit 'less busy' than I was so I've been able to get back into it a bit.

I'll catch you soon.

If you don't see me here, try History. That's where I'll be if I'm anywhere. (Discussing which was the best fighter during WWII......................whoops  ;D )

[quote]If you don't see me here, try History. That's where I'll be if I'm anywhere. (Discussing which was the best fighter during WWII......................whoops

I've had those same questions and came up with "Well, that's TV for ya."  But for the Movie Ghost, it is somewhat accurate.  
I was watching a documentary about ghosts.  There was one hotel, I don't remember where, that had a lady which would walk down the halls.  One thing people noticed was she was embedded into the floor up to her calves.  The investigators determined that many years after this lady's death, the hotel was renevated and the floors were raised. Unfortunately, some of the dead are just reliving certian times in their lives which does not account for worldly changes. Another situation mentioned an older man sitting in a chair. But if the chair was moved, he would move with it. Apparently there are "things" which ghosts can be attached to.

Even in the movie "Ghost". in the beginning Patrick Swayze couldn't touch or make contact with anything. He just passed through every object, but you could hear his shoes on the ground as he walked? How did his shoes stay on?? Wouldn't his foot pass through them when he took a step?

His shoes are a part of his own mental projection upon death. He's not really wearing shoes, it just looks like he is. But to any event, it can be answered with a quote from George Lucas, "It may not be technically correct, but it is romantically correct." I believe this means, It may not be right, but it works for the story.

I do agree that scientific errors bother me. Star Trek TNG's "all Good things..." comes to mind.  Who can tell me the error they made?

I think the 'time and effort' only happened when they where being bombarded with some sort of 'particle' by Data. It was bringing them slightly back into phase.

Your most likey correct Professor, been a while since I've seen that show.

G'day hawk and Craig. I was away for a bit. But I've been back, hanging around the History and Hardware forums for the last couple of weeks.

Nice to see you around again pal

If you don't see me here, try History. That's where I'll be if I'm anywhere. (Discussing which was the best fighter during WWII......................whoops    )

Spitfire

Thanks people.  ;)

As for the ghosts and what they can and can't do, as has been said, we are dealing with the supernatural. Our 'laws' don't necessarily apply. But as far as the 'out of phase' business goes, you're either IN phase with your surroundings our OUT of phase.

If you're 'out of phase', by scientific definition, you shouldn't even be able to SEE the objects that are not in your phase (as in the TNG episode where they went back in time to Mark Twains time, chasing those aliens, who were stealing 'life force' from dying people). When Data went 'out of phase' and was describing what he saw, he couldn't see the Enterprise crew and he was invisible to them. SO..... how, in another episode when Geordie and Ro are out of phase, they can see everyone else (and hear them etc) but no-one can see them??????

Of course, there is no answer - it;s a clear oversight or at least an "oh stuff it" by the writers. Gee's, we don't even know if it's possible to 'phase-shift'. But it irks me a little that writers don't try to think a little more plausibly when inventing these stories (entertaining as they are).

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As stated Geordi and Ro were out of phase from normal matter...however they could see due to the fact that photons are both particles and waves. The energy from the photons was still affecting their retinas therefore they could see...before anyone asks...they could hear due to the mutiphasic properties of the communicator badges.

They were affected by the gravity plating due to the unique physics of the plating. The plating actually works by phase shifting mass from nearby realities to increase apparent mass. When they were phase shifted the only result was that there was a new "host" phase and a new "donor" phase...the net result being equal.

Which error in "and all Good Things" caught your eye Skittles? I seem to remember several when I watched it last.

Which error in "and all Good Things" caught your eye Skittles? I seem to remember several when I watched it last.

Well, the biggest one, which would change a bit of the story had they represented the anomoly(sp) correctly.

You mean the temporal anomaly working back in time to make all life on Earth impossible? There's a paradox involved there, but I don't recall an error.