How they did it?

[alrot]

This is a realy strange this wich  i'd like to disscust,first its how they got the control of these airplanes,what about the pilot and the copilot were they armless? how did they toke the control,what realy happend in pensilvania?were they careing guns?how did it pass it into these aircraft?

[Nexus]

No guns, small knifes I believe.
Back in the days before 9/11, cockpit security wasn't all  that great.

I don't know the whole story about what the hijackers did and how they were able to get control of the aircrafts, perhaps some other members knows more.

[Craig.]

just look at a 757/767 cockpit picture, look at how cramped it is, then add in the pilots were still strapped in so they wouldnt have had much of a chance to fight back. The hijackers something like 5 of them had box cutters so they prob killed the pilots in the struggle and then just took their place at the controls. The security of the cockpits back then was nothing more than closing the door, so getting in wasnt a problem. Pilots didnt carry weapons, remember before 9/11 airport and airline security in the us was basic and practically non exsistant, getting the knives through didnt seem much of a problem.

[Fly2e]

Alrot, You can read the full report of that day. Download .Chapter 1, "We have some planes". It goes through the hijacking of each plane pretty detailed. It is really unbelievable reading. Click below and you will find the entire 9-11 Report broken up into down loadable chapters. They are small so it does not take long,

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

Dave

[Iroquois]

I just got the report from the bookstore. It's a bit easier to read in print form because it's pretty long.

I know one thing. If some highjacker threatened me with a box cutter. I'd kick him in the nuts. That's always something that puzzled me. Why didn't anyone try to stop them? I guess that's what the people who crashed in Pennsilvania did. Those brave souls saved many lives.

[Craig.]

its easy to say that you'd do these things when your not in the situation, but its not quite the same when your actually in the position of having a knife at your throat. I mean no disrespect to you iroquois. The reason no one did anything was pointed out in the report, Mace or something simmilar was sprayed in the cabin. Plus the simple speed with which it all happend, they killed a passenger in front of them, also a flight attendant was stabbed and they were in the cockpit within a few seconds, no one had a chance to react, add that to there being the threat of a bomb by one of the hijackers. Remember before this happend hijackings were usually nothing more than people after something they would land at an airport and ask for their demands to be met, most people prob thought this to be the same thing. By the time anyone onboard realised, it would have been too late. As for the passengers on the flight which crashed in PA, i dont want to be heartless about it, but i just dont buy it, or not to the level its been publicised, if it was really the case they would have released the recordings of the flight to show they went down fighting, while i dont doubt they tried something, there is something in the CVR's and data recorders that investigators dont want to release. Perhaps they just decided to crash it because they were lost maybe they saw some fighters coming at them and decided to do the job themselves sooner, untill full info is released we will never know

[Chris_F]

As for the passengers on the flight which crashed in PA, i dont want to be heartless about it, but i just dont buy it, or not to the level its been publicised, if it was really the case they would have released the recordings of the flight to show they went down fighting, while i dont doubt they tried something, there is something in the CVR's and data recorders that investigators dont want to release. Perhaps they just decided to crash it because they were lost maybe they saw some fighters coming at them and decided to do the job themselves sooner, untill full info is released we will never know

IIRC some of the people on the plane had called loved ones on their cell phones and were told about the planes crashing in to the towers and the pentagon.  The passengers realized this was their fate and decided to try and save themselves.  The hijackers had probably planned for this contingency and when the passengers started asserting themselves they just nozed the plane over and in to the ground.  I'd bet the passengers never got to the cockpit or even to the first hijacker.

When the passengers came forward the first hijacker would have informed the pilot and the pilot would have just pushed the stick forward.  The passengers would have been thrown to the ceiling then everyone in the plane who wasn't belted in would have tumbled forward to the forward bulkhead, some falling a good hundred feet to and some people burried under the weight of a hundred or so passengers.  Then it would have been a couple minute wait until the ground impact.

Still care to think about it?

[Craig.]

that is one of the theories going. However the other reports state that all hijackers locked themselves in the cockpit, so there wouldnt have been a lookout, however along those lines, something i see as being possible, is the hijackers as they heard the knocking and attempted entry to the cockpit, did these manuevers to shake them, they succeeded but because of the speed and effort they put into it the aircraft just basically overstressed itself and they couldnt control it back to normal flight. This would also give evidence as to why the engine was found some way away from the rest of the wreckage, which again would be a result of passengers. But again how much is really known about what happend after the words "lets roll" everything i have read is that was the last comments heard from the aircraft. Officials need to start releasing more information on this. I cant see any reason why they havent, stuff like this, while upsetting isnt what could be classified as sensitive information.

[Woodlouse2002]

I for one reckon the flight that crashed was shot down. After having two aircraft hit the WTC and another one hit the Pentagon I severely doubt that there would have been much argument over not shooting it down.

[Jaffa]

I for one reckon the flight that crashed was shot down. After having two aircraft hit the WTC and another one hit the Pentagon I severely doubt that there would have been much argument over not shooting it down.

No.

[Hagar]

I know one thing. If some highjacker threatened me with a box cutter. I'd kick him in the nuts. That's always something that puzzled me. Why didn't anyone try to stop them?

That's the point. These people are ruthless. They wouldn't pick on a hulking great chap like you. More likely a female cabin crew member. Casually walk up behind her & hold the boxcutter to her throat. They would have no hesitation in killing her to prove they mean business. I believe this actually happened on one of those flights on that terrible day. I don't care to think about what I would do in that situation.

Officials need to start releasing more information on this. I cant see any reason why they havent, stuff like this, while upsetting isnt what could be classified as sensitive information.

There you have it. The lack of reliable official information leads to all the speculation & conspiracy theories. There might be very good reasons for not releasing all the known facts but in most cases this might be misguided. IMHO
From previous experience Joe Public often suspects something is being covered up & he's not being told the whole truth.

[Politically Incorrect]

There you have it. The lack of reliable official information leads to all the speculation & conspiracy theories. There might be very good reasons for not releasing all the known facts but in most cases this might be misguided. IMHO
From previous experience Joe Public often suspects something is being covered up & he's not being told the whole truth.

This is so true!
Fact is we will never know what happened that day.
1) The Government will never release all the info they had.
2) No one survived to tell the story.

Sure there were phone calls to some loved ones but that leads to thier "word" as to what was going on. You only get one side of the story with the rest left to the imagination. And that is the downfall. Media will take what little info they have on something then "create" a story, they will make it anything they want in order to get viewers,readers etc.
Then you have Government officials who will listen to some cockpit recordings and then with a combined effort decide what happened, basically making a judgement on very little info, which results in using thier imagination to come up with something to tell the public, and goal number one is to make themselves look good.

As for the cell phone calls, here is something to think about next time you decide to call someone. How did they get recordings of the conversations?
I mean the Government says they don't just tap phone lines and listen in on calls, but yet they have recordings of people calling home???
Obviously you can't just connect a tape recorder to your cell phone (not to mention if you could, not many have one laying around close by or would think of using it in a situation such as this) So how exactly did these conversations get recorded? This is something I have wondered since the day they were released. So if the Government doesn't tap phone conversations then how did they get the recordings?
Some might say that they could have been recorded by someone with a scanner, true but in reality you would have a better chance at the Lottery. Most scanners can pick up cell phone frequencies but to be listening in on the "right" one at the right time is a billion to one chance.
Think about it, and then ask yourself whats the possibility that the "phone calls" are real.

I really don't think there is any cover up here at all, the public wants answers, the Government and Media needs to reply, so with what little information they have they must create a story to attempt to please the public.

As for all the finger pointing as too who is to blame, should it be the airports/airlines (security), the Government?. I don't think anyone is too blame, the only ones too blame are now dead along with all the innocent.
We don't need all these continuous "investigations" that try to place blame on any one person.

We need to use what has become a major disaster and learn from it, we now know know what to look for at the airports, we now realize that we should never let down our guard, we now know that no matter how smart you think you are there is someone smarter.
And most importantly We Americans now know WE ARE NOT INVINSIBLE! That there might be where to place the blame. The cocky attitude most have that "It will never happen to us". When it has been proven and still is today that ALL of us are!

All in all we will never know what happened that faithfull day, and no amount of "recordings" will ever tell us what these people went through, how everything played out. It is and will remain speculation, guessing and assuming.

So everything the Government and Media will tell us should all be taken lightly, because 99% of it will come from someones imagination and what they would like to think really went on that day.

[Chris_F]

I for one reckon the flight that crashed was shot down. After having two aircraft hit the WTC and another one hit the Pentagon I severely doubt that there would have been much argument over not shooting it down.

If the plane had been shot down do you think anyone here would blame anyone for that act?  I sure as hell wouldn't.  I wouldn't blame the pilot for firing the missile, I wouldn't blame the president for giving the order.  I don't think anyone would.  If that plane had been shot down then the government would have come forward with that info and the president would have praised the bravery of the pilot who pulled the trigger.

I believe that the airforce was intent on shooting that plane down (or at least locating it then having the president give the order).  But at the time it went down they were in no position to do so.  They didn't have an asset in position or they didn't know the position of the target.  I'd say they probably had a 50/50 chance of shooting it down before it crashed in to the White House.

Would they have shot they plane down?  Yes.  Did they want to?  Yes.  Did they?  No.

[Politically Incorrect]

 Did they want to?  Yes.  

I would have to honestly disagree with that!

I think the last thing on any fighter pilots mind is to want to shoot down a aircraft full of civilians.

But they do realize that if it comes down too it it is thier job, but to state yes they wanted to is incorrect. A bunch of pilots that go around with a mentality of "wanting to shoot down anything" is a group of pilots we don't need.
It is the same with any member of the military, very few are in the armed forces to "kill" anyone, if that is the reason they join then they need not apply. But they go into it knowing that the day may come that killing is required, it is thier job.

not to mention they weren't told as too why they were scrambled, and as too where they were suppose to go and what they were looking for. They were clueless as too what they were doing or what was going on.

sorry for sounding upset but a comment like that jerks a nerve. Go ahead and ask a fighter pilot if they ever wanted to shoot down a commercial airliner, without the slightest clue as too why, I bet I know what thier answer would be!

[Chris_F]

I would have to honestly disagree with that!

My intent was to say that the Air Force wanted to defend the country from attack.