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The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:36 am

I popped over to the airport for breakfast this morning & quite by accident stumbled on a fascinating story.* A documentary is being made of this incident for German TV & I had the honour of meeting these veterans & shaking their hands. I got some pix & if they came out I'll post them & the full story in the Photos forum later. Goes to prove that you never know who you will meet. ;)

*This was originally published in March 2000. http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co.uk/brighton__hove/archive/2000/03/06/news5VQ.html
Former fighters find friendship
The North Sea was lit by a near full moon as pilot Peter McMillan tailed the German bomber.

The young flight lieutenant had already downed one of the Fuhrer's Dorniers and was now lining up the second in the gun sights of his Beaufighter.

He squeezed the trigger and saw the bullets hit the Luftwaffe aircraft 500ft away. Smoke erupted from its belly and the last the 26-year-old pilot saw of the plane was it diving towards the waves.

He thought the crew had died, but last October he learned the pilot, Willi Schludecker, was alive. And the former adversaries will meet again on Thursday - almost 58 years after their dogfight.

The meeting, at Shoreham Airport, was arranged by war historian Bill Norman, of Cleveland, who tracked down grandfather-of-five Mr McMillan, of Woodruff Avenue, Hove, through RAF records.

Mr McMillan, who has lived in Sussex since 1942, said: "It's going to be very interesting, considering we were shooting at each other all those years ago. I expect we will talk about airplanes, but I'll just take things as they come.

"Bill said they won't bring any bombs and I said I would leave my cannon at home. I don't remember much of the night, as it was so long ago. I stalked the first one and then I went after Willi. There was a short exchange of machine gun fire."

Commercial pilot Richard Flohr-Swan, who lives in Germany and was taught to fly in 1972 by Herr Schludecker, will act as an interpreter as neither man speaks the other's language.

Mr McMillan, 84, learned that after their encounter on July 23, 1942, Herr Schludecker crash-landed at Gilze-Rijen in the Netherlands and spent six months in hospital recovering from his injuries.

Herr Schludecker, 79, began flying in the spring of 1941, when he was 21. He made 120 flights over Russia, England and the Balkans and nine of his aircraft were written-off in crash-landings. He was awarded the Iron Cross twice.

He has been to England several times since the war and last year visited York, which he bombed in 1942. Mr McMillan was serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force when he shot down Herr Schludecker's plane and was with the RAF when he was promoted to Group Captain.

He left the airforce in 1966 and worked for the Department of Health until his retirement in 1976. He was a magistrate in Brighton from 1969 to 1976 and a county councillor from 1979 to 1987.


Gp/Capt McMillan's daughter told me that by shooting him down her father had probably saved Willi Schludecker's life. From the photos of the wreckage Herr Schludecker showed me he was lucky to get out of it alive.
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby DougC-3 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:36 am

I popped over to the airport for breakfast this morning & quite by accident stumbled on a fascinating story.*

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Goes to prove that you never know who you will meet. ;)

Some people have all the luck :P ;)

Gp/Capt McMillan's daughter told me that by shooting him down her father had probably saved Willi Schludecker's life.

I presume she meant by taking him out of further combat for the duration ???

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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:02 am

Some people have all the luck :P ;)

I presume she meant by taking him out of further combat for the duration ???

I assumed that was what she meant. Willi Schudecker managed to crash-land his damaged aircraft in Holland so was not taken prisoner. He spent some 3 months in hospital & might not have flown in action again. I know one of his gunners also survived but forgot to ask about the rest of the crew. These people were gracious enough to talk to me although they were busy & I didn't like to intrude too much.

I found 2 more reports of their first meeting with their old adversary at Shoreham in 2000. http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co.uk/brighton__hove/archive/2000/03/10/news6VQ.html
This one has a photo. http://www.sangbe.uku.co.uk/SANArchive/San00/April/Aprilp3.htm

Willi Schludecker was just 21 years old when this happened in 1942. He was one of the few NCO bomber pilots in the Luftwaffe & had already been awarded 2 Iron Crosses for bravery. This comparatively insignificant incident out of many 1,000s who weren't so lucky just confirms my feelings that all wars are completely stupid & futile. ::)
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Saitek » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:21 am

Thats a nice story. Looking forward to yr pics Doug. 8)

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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby DougC-3 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:15 am

I found 2 more reports of their first meeting with their old adversary at Shoreham in 2000. http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co.uk/brighton__hove/archive/2000/03/10/news6VQ.html
This one has a photo. http://www.sangbe.uku.co.uk/SANArchive/San00/April/Aprilp3.htm

Thanks for the interesting URLs.  It's amazing that Schudecker had survived 120 war missions, 23 forced and 9 crash landings by age 21 :o.

I can't help wondering what was located at the little town of Bedford that warranted the Germans sending 40 Dornier bombers to wipe it out.

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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:51 am

I can't help wondering what was located at the little town of Bedford that warranted the Germans sending 40 Dornier bombers to wipe it out.

I'm not sure that the town itself had any significant strategic importance. They might mean the county of Bedfordshire. There were many RAF airfields in the county & Luton was an industrial centre. Vauxhall Motors still has its main base at Luton. The Skefco Ball Bearings factory would also have been a tempting target & was bombed back in 1940.
http://www.lutononline.co.uk/mk4custompages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=26833

Unbeknown to German Intelligence the top-secret codebreaking centre at Bletchley Park (the famous Station X) is not too far away from Luton. This was probably one of the best-kept secrets of the whole war. http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/

Willi Schludecker told me that during an earlier visit to Bedford he evaded attack by diving down to low level. Pulling out caused some damage to the aircraft so he decided to bomb the nearest convenient target - a railway line. One of their bombs bounced along the railway track & ended up inside the local church. Fortunately for any occupants it failed to explode.
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby DougC-3 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:43 am

I had seen in my dictionary that one definition of "Bedford" was "Bedfordshire," but somehow it didn't click in my brain :).  

Amazing pictures, infants in gas masks, etc.  It's amazing how much damage a single bomb could do even back then.  It does bring home the utter stupidity of war. :-/
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:00 am

I had seen in my dictionary that one definition of "Bedford" was "Bedfordshire," but somehow it didn't click in my brain :).

Many counties in England are named after the county town (or vice versa). In this case Bedford would be the county town of Bedfordshire.

Unfortunately my photos didn't come as well as I hoped so I'll post this one here. Apart from the camera you would think that this was just two old friends having a chat in the sunshine. 62 years ago (almost to the day) they were doing their utmost to send each other to oblivion. Makes you think doesn't it?

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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby ozzy72 » Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:45 am

Amazing stuff Doug, you are a lucky bunny ;)
We'll have to ask Exploder to keep an eye out for this documentary methinks :)
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby ATI_7500 » Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:46 am

Well,guess I'll have to start reading TV magazines...;)
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:33 am

Well,guess I'll have to start reading TV magazines...;)

Please do Bjorn. I spoke to the very pleasant German cameraman in my shot. He told me the doc is for German TV only. He also told me that while the guys are at Shoreham the BBC will be doing some filming next week for their own doc. I'll keep you posted if I can find out more.

The whole thing took me by surprise & I'm kicking myself for not asking more questions when I had the chance. Think what I could have learned if only I could have had a few minutes alone with these veterans. ::)

PS. I'm not expecting the BBC crew to be so cooperative. From past experience they will probably want the complete airport closed to the public while they do their filming.
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby ATI_7500 » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:29 am

Did those german guys tell you for which channel they were working?
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Hagar » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:17 am

Unfortunately no. Another question I forgot to ask. :-[

I only saw 2 TV crew members so it might be a freelance outfit. I think the lady with red hair in my shot is either an interpreter or the interviewer if this helps.
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby ATI_7500 » Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:24 pm

No,that doesn't.

But I suppose they work for the ZDF (Second German Television).
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Re: The fortunes of war

Postby Politically Incorrect » Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:30 pm

62 years ago (almost to the day) they were doing their utmost to send each other to oblivion. Makes you think doesn't it?


Just goes to show at the time they were doing a job, probably one neither really wanted any part of. Good too see they don't hold any grudges ;)
Very interesting stuff!! Just wish I would be able to see the documentary. :'(
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