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New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:55 pm
by Polynomial
This really really sucks.

Recently in Australia they have introduced new air saftey laws.  Many pilots and air traffic controllers are calling them air disaster laws because it is only a matter of time before something bad happens.  Basically the new laws mean that light aviation (Cessna's and the like) do not have to file flight plans or keep in contact with atc when flying . . . . even in airspace where commercial aircraft fly.  The new laws have been in effect a week and we've already had a near miss.

Read this following article:

There will be at least three separate probes into a near collision between a Virgin Blue plane and a Cessna north-west of Melbourne.

Virgin Blue flight DJ980 from the Gold Coast to Melbourne triggered its automatic collision warning system about 10am (AEDT) as the 737 was descending about 55 nautical miles north-west of Melbourne.

The air traffic controllers union, Civil Air, said the passenger flight was 20 seconds from colliding with the twin-engine Cessna when the alarm activated.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), Airservices Australia and Virgin Blue are investigating the incident.

All three said it was too early to say how close the planes came to colliding, or to confirm whether they were only 20 seconds from disaster.

Civil Air president Ted Lang blamed the near miss on the new National Airspace System (NAS) which came into effect last Thursday, allowing light planes into areas used by commercial airliners.

Mr Lang called on federal Transport Minister John Anderson to immediately suspend the NAS pending a full review.

He said a 737's collision warning system was designed to give pilots about 20 seconds to avoid impact.

"This result is a direct result of the new airspace regime," Mr Lang said.

"In this case not even the 'see-and-avoid' collision procedures were effective."

Airservices Australia spokesman Richard Dudley confirmed the Virgin Blue 737's collision warning system was activated.

But he said he did not know how close the planes were, or whether the pilot changed course as a result of the warning.

A spokesman for Mr Anderson warned against assuming the incident was related to the new system, saying the ATSB investigated several incidents every year.

He said both aircraft were in contact with the air traffic controller in Melbourne.

"The public should be reminded that Ted Lang of Civil Air has previously claimed there were near misses in Canberra and Tamworth," he said.

"On both occasions he was utterly incorrect and he's yet to apologise for his blatant scaremongering."

Virgin Blue spokesman David Huttner said the airline would consider in its investigation whether the new regulations were to blame.





As you probably guess, there are some not very happy people about this.  >:(  >:(  >:(

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:28 am
by ozzy72
That is frightening!

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:03 am
by RitterKreuz
its already that way here in the states pretty much... has been for a long time. VFR aircraft are not required to file a flight plan.  they are not required to talk to ATC either (when outside of Controlled airspace)

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:18 am
by Hagar
Call me stupid but pray tell me how this is supposed to improve air safety. I would think it does the complete reverse. ???

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:06 am
by Polynomial
Call me stupid but pray tell me how this is supposed to improve air safety. I would think it does the complete reverse. ???


exactly

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:12 am
by BFMF
Here in the US, VFR flights are NOT required to file flightplans nor be in contact with ATC unless in controlled airspace. This has been the case forever, except for a time period after 9/11 where only IFR flights were allowed ;)

Earlier this summer, there was a huge wild forest fire only a few miles away from our local airport. Because of the increased amount of air traffic, a temporary controll tower was set up. Local pilots were quite surprised when told to contact Boundary County tower after trying to self announce themselves on unicom! ;D

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:21 am
by ATI_7500
wasn't there a big crash in LA in the 1980s involving a GA aircraft and a MD-80?

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:03 pm
by Katahu
So, you're allowed to not listen to the ATC while you are outside of controlled airspace? ???

What kind of controlled airspace? There's so many of them.

I used to fly over Miami, Florida [in real life] when I was a C/Airman 1st Class in Civil Air Patrol.

The instructor told me to read an aeronautical map that had plenty of airspace boundries [the blue boardors]. Most of them were clumped together over Miami International and the boundaries spread out towards Kendall Tamiami Executive, Opolaka and just over Biscayne Bay.

The rest of the map was had only a few airspace boundaries.

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:18 pm
by chomp_rock
Baffling!

Re: New air 'saftey' laws

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:06 am
by Lethal.Ambition
Opa Locka
;)

My home airport ;D