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Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:28 pm
by Scorpiоn
I better eat my words on general or beginner sites, because right now that's what I need, or you fine people could help me. ;D I'm basically doing some preliminary research on the major types of infantry, tanks and aircraft used in World War II.  Aircraft is covered just by memory or scanning through some of my books.  Being unfamiliar with the terrestrial details of World War II, I found a good site as far as detailed armour specs go, and checked out a book from the library to acquaint myself with the major types.  Infantry however has proved to be one tough cookie.  At first thought I took this to be the easier of the three groups, but so far all I could think of is standard infantry and bazooka teams.  So questions are as follows:
  • What are the standard infantry types of World War II?
  • What are some unique types of infantry?  (like the American flamethrower, I think)
  • Were there any tanks in World War II, even concept or experimental versions, that were multi-turreted?

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:23 pm
by Woodlouse2002
Well as far as infantry goes...

Recon teams,
Machine gun teams,
Grenediers,
storm troops,
Snipers,
Anti tank,
Flame thrower teams,
Special Forces

And thats all I can think of... Oh yes. Artillery Observers.

As for the tank problem... There might have been a french tank or something with 2 turrets... The Crusader MkI had a main turret and a small machine gun turret on the hull. And the M3 Lee tanks had a main gun in the hull. A secondary gun in a turret and a machine gun in a turret on top of that. So there you go. ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:23 pm
by Hagar
Scorp. I found this by typing < ww2 infantry weapons > in Google. http://www.stormpages.com/garyjkennedy/Weapons/infantry_weapons_of_world_war_tw.htm
There are many more like it.

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:23 pm
by Smoke2much
Standard Infantry is tricky as there is no such thing.  All of the major combatants of WW2 used quite a variety of differant classifications of foot troops. But however it is classified the classification usually just refers to the transportation employed ie:-

Infantry, Motorised Infantry, Armoured Infantry, Parachute (Airbourne Infantry).

All of the above were troops whose role was to fight on foot using small arms.  

The basic organisation at this time was:

Squad > Platoon > Company > Battalion > Brigade > Division > Corps > Army

But when you get to Division or above you will get support arms of various types (eg artillery and recce elements) thrown in just to confuse the issue.

WW2 caused massive tactical advances in the use of the "specialist troops" such as pioneers, commando's and parachutists and libraries have been written on these units.  Specialist troops such as flame thrower users in the US system (correct me if I'm mistaken American people) tended to be grouped together in a heavy weapons company within a standard battalion. Or a heavy weapon platoon within each company I forget which. :( Sorry.

Good sources for a basic overview tend to be books written with wargamers in mind.  They tend to have plenty of detail and emphasise the tactical reasoning for the existance of "unique" troop types.

Will

Shweet!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:27 pm
by Scorpiоn
Thanks Woody, chalk up one issue... ::) And Hagar, I gotta give it to you.  You're just better than phrasing searches than I am. :-X (infantry roles "World War II" was one of my best :'( ) What, oh what would I do without Simviation... :)

PS: I meant to say mutli-barreled.  Although this proved to be better!  That T-35 is a monster! :o

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:46 am
by Professor Brensec
I've Always found the 'Britannica.com' Normandy site very interesting and useful.
I just pop 'Normandy' into google and it coms up in the fist 4 or 5 options.

In the 'Weapons' section of the site there is alot of info. I recall finding my way to a particular part of that site (or maybe a link) that gave a breakdown of all the different types of 'Divisions' during WWII, of the diffrerent Armies etc.
It gave marvellous detail as far as what was included in the different types of divisions, right down to 'how many .45 Colt Semi Auto handguns in the 2 different American types of division (Triangular and Square).

I think you may find the whole site, and that particular part I got to (if you can find it) very useful. It also has alot of 'interactive' maps and diagrams of attacks and positions etc.

P.S. If anyone does know the location of that 'detailed  Division' site or page I'm talking about, please give me the link.

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:15 am
by Polynomial
How can u go past

http://www.google.com

with the search term - tanks. . .

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:36 am
by Wing Nut
If you're looking for tanks in WWII, some of the Main Battle Tanks landmarks for each country...

Germany...

PzIId
PzIIIn
PzIVd
PzIVg

Panzer A, D, and G models

Tiger
King Tiger

USA

M31 Walker Bulldog

M4A1
M4A3
M4A3E8

M5 Stuart

M26

Britain

Matilda
Centurion
Cromwell
Firefly

Sorry, I'm a bit weak on the Brits, but any of these tanks were significant points in tank development.

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:03 am
by Hagar
Britain

Matilda
Centurion
Cromwell
Firefly

Sorry, I'm a bit weak on the Brits, but any of these tanks were significant points in tank development.

One point. The Centurion did not see service in WWII. The Firefly was a variant of the Sherman. List of WWII British built tanks here. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1975/g_tnkuk.htm

Goody!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:07 pm
by Scorpiоn
What about the Churchill!?  How can you forget the Churchill!? :o OK, I know nothing about how useful it was, but it's one sexy tank! ::) Even better than the T-35, M3, M4 or Kingtiger!  Then again I also think the Corsair's better than the Mustang or Spitfire... :-X This is getting very interesting.  Before I know it, I won't just be interested in the Air Forces any more.  Wouldn't that be a concept!

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:17 pm
by Ivan
T-34-85 (T-34 with 85mm gun, only gun which would damage it was the german 88mm)
JS-1, 2 and 3... 125mm cannon of a SU-125 in a turret, what else do you need to mess up a Tiger-II

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:50 pm
by Smoke2much
A dodgy gearbox LOL.

Will

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:42 pm
by Wing Nut
:-[  Like I said,  I'm weak on the British Tanks... :-[

Kevin

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:25 pm
by Professor Brensec
I was going to jump in with a "how could we be overlooking the T34" but Ivan beat me to it.

It certainly was the first, and probably only, tank in WWII that really gave the Germans a lesson in getting blown up!  ;)

Re: Infantry of World War II and Big Tanks

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:09 am
by Smoke2much
Of course, if you want big you cant get much bigger than the Maus.....

Will