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not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Craig. » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:51 pm

ok i wont post the actual rant until one of the Mods has said its ok to, i promise it wont be to political or at least nothing that could be considered offensive to anyones government. but the reason i am waiting for approval is it may be a little strong.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Scottler » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:37 pm

Personally, I don't see the harm in political posts.  If the mods want to remove a few of the posts of those who overreact, then do it that way...but some of us take an interest in them...

Should be a case by case basis, IMHO.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby visitor » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:02 pm

I feel the danger is offending someone and they
not reply, It would shed a bad light! We would
never know!!

I too have a interest in these things!!

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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Iroquois » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:05 pm

Political topics cause flame wars. Which once again reminds me of our vile ex-member Turtles. He was famous for egging these things on and causing huge fights.

What is this rant about anyway? I'm assuming this is something to do with the UK but I wouldn't mind a little background info.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Deputy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:07 pm

The danger is indeed existant. The biggest problem is someone saying something, meaning no  harm, and another person will understand the statement wrong, and become upset by the comment. Pretty simple really.

Its just best if we keep politics out of an international group.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Scottler » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:24 pm

But why can't those posts which cause flame wars be eradicated?  Don't kill the whole topic for those of us mature enough to handle it!
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby RichieB16 » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:27 pm

[quote]But why can't those posts which cause flame wars be eradicated?
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Deputy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:27 pm

[quote]But why can't those posts which cause flame wars be eradicated?
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Iroquois » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:58 pm

I highly doubt that Pete will allow this because of past problems. We've already lost a member this week due to a misunderstanding. Politics gets people angry or scares people off. What causes the flame wars is people who should not be involved, get invlolved. I can make fun of Canada all I want, which I do.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Deputy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:59 pm

Nicely put.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Scottler » Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:00 pm

I still stand by my view that those who CAN discuss those things maturely should be able to...just another example of morons ruining things for the rest of the crowd...

Oh well...
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Iroquois » Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:08 pm

I still stand by my view that those who CAN discuss those things maturely should be able to...just another example of morons ruining things for the rest of the crowd...

Oh well...


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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Scottler » Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:22 pm

I know it's not my decision, never claimed otherwise.  Just stating my opinion.  ;D
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Craig. » Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:27 am

hey guys:) thanks for the replys, and brad good to see ya again.
now, like i said if there was to be a political part to this it really wouldnt be anything that could even be put up for discussion as an insult to anyones government.
the actual rant will prob be a little on the harsh side towards the TSA(orenda these are the people who handle security at american airports, i personally have only had one run in with them but well i will leave that for later)
i will add the rant, then if anyone here thinks it could cause to many problems, i will remove it ASAP and the mods can lock the topic.:)
i have a driving in a little while and dont have time to write this now so i will see you all when i am done with that.
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Re: not again(TSA Rant)

Postby Craig. » Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:12 am

okie dokie here goes.
Ok so we all know now the TSA are the security force for the US airports, they have created some good rules, enforced cockpit doors, and a few other hidden things.
but now for the rant.
Ok first off, the amount of workers they have, i was at memphis a while back and at the security gate they had, 2 machines open, which when i was there before 9/11 had 4 open, with only the required workers. post 9/11 they had a TSA worker, to tell you to take your laptop out of the case, they had a worker there to hand out plastic tubs for your belongings that are metal, they had a person checking the x-ray machine, two people doing the metal detector another person to take the plastic case, a person to direct you, and 3 people doing any extra pat down searches. and this is per security lane, not for the entire area. now why couldnt the person telling you to take the laptop out of its case also giving directions and handing out the plastic tubs. there two workers cut down there, next at the pat down stage, the speed which lines move you only need 2 people to do the pat down searches.  and now the latest things, they have created two lists, one is a no fly list(a TSA and airline combined list), which is still in the planning stages, this is a list where should a person be suspected of causing any trouble(note the fact not having caused trouble) they can be banned from flying for two years, and because of names being the same this will create problems for those who have done nothing wrong.and a simmilar list, that is a DO NOT FLY list this was created only and run only by the TSA, they have a list of people who are suspected of terrorist links, and will not fly and subject to arrest, now a david smith is on this list, problem is that is an extremely common name, and every david smith is now subjected to some extensive checks while checking in. and obviously some other names. And now my favorate. which is more of an older thing but being enforced, the fact they now expect that terrorists will use small personal items such as cameras, cd players, cell phones and gameboys as weapons, and now require you like laptops to switch them on, now my problem here is, in a busy security hall, there could be 500 people in close proximity, should said laptop camera and so on contain a bomb, would it be such a good idea to honestly test it out, there? one button, explosion, 500 dead people where as if they just put it through an extra scan or two no explosion and they can catch the problem. Now i know its very unlikely to see this happen, but it could and i have a feeling it may happen one day.
then of coarse because of these new times of political correctness, they can no longer subject people of middle eastern origin to extra checks, for fear of being considered racisist or persicuting them, but to seem fair they subject poor old granny in a wheel chair to extra searches or little jimmy coming home from disney world to extra wanding. now i am not racisist never have been but why should anyone but kept from extra checks because of where they are from. its getting silly.
and finally these workers are being paid over $15's an hour but require no formal qualifications, they complain theres a budget crisis, where theres the reason, the last security who did a good job as it was were on about $6's an hour.
the government should never have made this agency a private company who have free rule of everything they desire, they are above pretty much everything and are turning us air travel into something that resembles cold war era eastern europe.  i can understand the need for safety, but the whole constitution has been torn up by these people. the freedoms americans once enjoyed have been taken away, and there really was no need for it.
ok sorry if this was a long rant but i felt i had to get this out of my system.  and please if any mods deem this to be removable please do, no hassle about it from myself.
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