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NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Question

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:21 pm
by Scorpiоn
Again, one thing before I start:
[glb]THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL POST!!![/glb]

Erhem.

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:41 pm
by Craig.
pretty much. i believe its the steady stream of bullets. and 1 tracer bullet for every 13 bullets fired(not sure on tha going on news report) still a pretty effective method to take out low flying aircraft and even cruise missiles which dont have very effective methods to avoid that sort of fire

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:46 pm
by Tequila Sunrise
AA and AAA are still in use pretty much evrey where, NATO ships carry the Phalanx CIWS (basically a Vulcan I think), then theres ZSUs as well. Guns and ammo are relativly cheap compared to SAMs and can be highly effective against low flying or slow aircraft. Also flack can't be countered unless you see it comming up.

Bitte

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:36 pm
by Scorpiоn
Interesting... Is there a good source where I could find out more information, but without it assuming I practically have a copy of the thing's blueprints on hand?

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:49 am
by ozzy72
Scorpion, try the two links below, these describe the 2 main AA guns used by Iraqi forces.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land ... u-23-4.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land ... u-57-2.htm

Ozzy

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:13 am
by Professor Brensec
Would have thought that these days, at least some of the AAA would be Radar controlled or similar.
I know there was technology of this kind towards the end of WWII.

As for the manually operated AAA, you can get lucky.
A number of US jet aircraft were brought down in Vietnam by small arms fire.  ;D ;)

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:49 am
by Smoke2much
Brensec is right.  The germans were using both radar target aquisition and fire control by 1944.  Then we started jamming it, RAF bomber command losses were reduced as a direct result.  

Will ;D

Tracers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:29 pm
by Scorpiоn
One more thing, what are those huge blobs of light we always see streaking into the sky?

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:03 pm
by Professor Brensec
Other than very large flak tracers (if there is such a thing). Could they be some kind of flare, to light up any aircraft in the sky?

I may be showing my complete ignorance of modern warfare techniques here, but what are ya gonna do?  ;D ;)

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:58 pm
by Blade
Those ZSU's ARE radar guided. You can see the dish on this pic. The ZSU-23 is VERY bad news if you are flying low.

[img]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zsu-23-4-DDST8407792_JPG.jpg
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If you live in the US and around a possible terrorist target you might have seen one of these.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/avenger.htm

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Its the Avenger mobile short range defense system. Carrying 8 Stingers with multiple reloads.

Also this is this one, the M163 Vulcan system.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m163.htm

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Now to awnser your question Skorpion those huge blobs going up into the sky are most likely SAM's.

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:15 pm
by BFMF
[quote]A number of US jet aircraft were brought down in Vietnam by small arms fire.

Re: NON Politcal, Flight Related Gulf War II Quest

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:42 am
by Professor Brensec

I've seen this depicted in films quite a few times


I recall a particular movie in which the jet aircraft was bought down by small arms. Not sure of the movie, it may have been "Bat 21"?

You'd have to be pretty unlucky though.......... :o