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A quote:
There are more stars (with planets) out there,
than any sandcorns on the beaches!!

Does that not make you think BIG! How can we be the only ones

Which brings me to one of the people I most admire in the world: Professor Neil DeGrasse Tyson..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tykCWO-abUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSRR9HIBs_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0azoN7t3UhM

Jan

Professor Neil DeGrasse Tyson..

One thing I'll never forgive him for though...HE is the driving force behind the "Remove Pluto from the list" movement. It's mainly because of HIM that we now have only EIGHT planets...where a lot of us grew up with the proper NINE...

Other than that, great guy, darn smart S.O.B. too...

PAT☺

Life on other Planets?

It all seems a bit academic to me!

The distances are so vast, and the time taken to get there, even in our own Milky Way Galaxy, let alone the whole Universe, are so great, that we are never going to see it!

Just consider the time it has taken so far for the "Voyager Spacecraft" just to leave our own tiny Solar System.

The only thing that interests me, is the satisfaction of observing the check-out lady at the end of the queue at my local Supermarket....

..and regarding other Planets, I wonder if they have check-out ladies at the end of their supermarket queues, and how long are their queues?

...and does it really matter?

In Space, things are just too far away...trust me!... ....!

Paul....quite happy down here in my own little World...admiring the undulating landscape of the check-out lady.... ...!

Sainsbury's is the centre of my Universe.

Fozzer wrote:Life on other Planets?

It all seems a bit academic to me!

The distances are so vast, and the time taken to get there, even in our own Milky Way Galaxy, let alone the whole Universe, are so great, that we are never going to see it!

Just consider the time it has taken so far for the "Voyager Spacecraft" just to leave our own tiny Solar System.

When you think that Voyager is travelling at 40,000 mph, that is rather quite one my might think........To the distance in space that is a snails pace. Then take in Halley's comet that is doing 160,000 mph and it takes 76 years between visits, we are not going anywhere any time soon......

Matt

And still there are billions who will very happy deny it all because a certain book tells them so...

Distances may be vast, but they are discovering that physics permits such a thing as "warp drive", similar to Star Trek's. It's a matter of expanding the spacetime behind, and compressing the spacetime in front, while protecting the vessel in the middle in it's own little bubble of spacetime, then surfing the bubble of spacetime to your destination. Allows the vessel to travel in a manner "faster" than the speed of light by any amount you have the energy to be able to accomplish. Thus, distances in space aren't really as big as we think, only that big from the perspective of our spacetime locale. The faster one goes, the shorter the distances wind up having to be to permit the conservation of the laws of the speed of light. And with the discovery of "dark energy" which makes up most of the universe, they are discovering that the energy available to us is suddenly increasing exponentially.
If R*T=D, or Rate multiplied by Time equals Distance, then if you can "fool" spacetime by compression in front etc, then as R increases, D MUST decrease to maintain the equation, assuming T is held as a constant. Which it would be to the vessel, not to outside observers. Like, for example, the person who spent the most time aboard the ISP is about 2 seconds younger than the rest of humanity...
I'm not explaining it very well because I haven't completely worked the math out yet in my own mind, but it CANbe done! Physicists actually have worked the math out...We just don't have the tech to actually DO it...yet...Same with harnessing dark energy...they can actually get ahold of tiny little amounts, but the control isn't there, again, yet...
That not to say another civilization a few thousand or million years older than ours isn't able to though. Look how far we have come in just the last 100 years! Then run that forward a few thousand years...

They are also discovering that there are more than the 4 dimensions we can detect with our sensors, whether organic or artificial. It explains why gravity is so weak compared to the other 3 "forces" and yet is so pervasive. It HAS to be "draining" a lot of it's force off into other dimensions. Total of 11 I think they've found so far. Thus, perhaps, we can slip through these other dimensions, thus negating the whole "distance" problem. Just because something is a lightyear in THESE 4 dimensions doesn't mean that by slipping into into one or more the other 11 this lightyear is suddenly a 1/4 inch of actual spacetime traversed. Again, I am horrible at explaining this, but the pysics are there...

Pat☺

Thanks for joining.

A few quotes from C.G.Jung:

“There can be no transforming of darkness into light and of apathy into movement without emotion”

“It all depends on how we look at things, and not on how things are in themselves. The least of things with a meaning is worth more in life than the greatest of things without it.”

“In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order.”

Thanks for the links Sprocket

Interesting reading, Pat!! I've always thought the main target was the magnetic force....

PhantomTweak wrote:

Professor Neil DeGrasse Tyson..

One thing I'll never forgive him for though...HE is the driving force behind the "Remove Pluto from the list" movement. It's mainly because of HIM that we now have only EIGHT planets...where a lot of us grew up with the proper NINE...

Other than that, great guy, darn smart S.O.B. too...

PAT☺

Pat,

Actually, you'd have to blame the Board of the Hayden Planetarium, for it was they who decided to put Pluto on the DL, and re-group the Planets by their composition rather than their 'pecking' order.
Tyson just 'runs' the place.

It's funny... in the early 70's when I first learned about Astronomy in school, our teacher taught us the Planets by Composition and Characteristics, not by reading the Lineup card.

As NdGT says... "It's all because of the Dog..."

(sorry about the Baseball references...)

Paul - you need to stop ogling the Checkout Lady; she might get 'ideas' (know what I mean, nudge nudge)...

CrashII wrote:And still there are billions who will very happy deny it all because a certain book tells them so...

Now THAT is small thinking....and arrogant.

I have yet to meet a fellow Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Hindu that falls in line with your ASSUMPTION.

That sort of comment does not belong here. Pure trash.

ViperPilot wrote:
Paul - you need to stop ogling the Checkout Lady; she might get 'ideas' (know what I mean, nudge nudge)...

Alan....

I reckon the Checkout Lady at Sainsbury's knows as much about Space Travel, and its implications, as all those chattering, arguing, mathematical boffins in the fancy Universities....

...she tells me so, as I admire the Heavenly scenery displayed before my eyes, whilst packing my groceries.

Paul....spaces I would like to travel..... .... ......!

Some more "small thinking"...

Lets say we solved the "speed and distance" and just went out there!
Some claims there will be an end to our universe! What will be on the other side of that end? Nothing? Or just another sandcorn on another "beach?

Ok, i know its way out, but i do love flying in this world, and in my thoughts and dreams in any universe(s)......

wahubna wrote:

CrashII wrote:And still there are billions who will very happy deny it all because a certain book tells them so...

Now THAT is small thinking....and arrogant.

I have yet to meet a fellow Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Hindu that falls in line with your ASSUMPTION.

That sort of comment does not belong here. Pure trash.

Fellow Christian... nuff said...

I'm gone.

Bass wrote:Some more "small thinking"...

Lets say we solved the "speed and distance" and just went out there!
Some claims there will be an end to our universe! What will be on the other side of that end? Nothing? Or just another sandcorn on another "beach?

Ok, I know its way out, but I do love flying in this world, and in my thoughts and dreams in any universe(s)......

Karl....

If you were anything like me, you would just put the kettle on, sit down with a nice cup of Tea and a biscuit, and not fret over something that is very unlikely to happen ....
...in our lifetime...(or anyone else's lifetime).... ...!
"Space travel", and such discussions, are only in the minds of Star Trek enthusiasts, fancy TV Documentaries and Hollywood Films and Cartoons designed to fool the masses!.... ...!

I sometimes spend my nights dreaming about flying my Hyper-drive Space Fighter, armed with photon torpedoes, around the Universe, fighting off invading battle ships...
..but in the morning, when I wake up, I just go downstairs and eat my Corn Flakes, as usual.

Paul.....a down-to-earth sort of Bloke!.... ...!

If not, who is Karl then?

As i said, just some more "small thinking", and i have no problems just thinking, reading and meditate about life, and everything that comes or goes with it